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Gamez X
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Summerleaf said :

Can you link that Mod Raven comment?

And the balance thing makes sense, and was on the Wiki too, but I always thought that Gielinor was always in its own plane, so Mazcab is what threw me off.

As it stands, my biggest gripe with this is you changing Abbinah's element
Lol that reddit comment was from like 2 years ago. I think abbinah's page has the link to it cus he talked a bit about abbinah there too

Mazcab again was weird, there wasnt any other rune that fit at all with it, especially since the other runes where taken for other worlds with more convincing reasons. Since my first version of the map i always thought mazcab was the 2nd planet in gilenors system (orrery in observatory confirms theres a 2nd planet with 2 moons). The fact tuska physically traveled from mazcab to gilenor and when you go to mazcab they're still cleaning up the mess like their attack just happened, really tells me mazcab is very close to gilenor. Couple that with how its anima is VERY strong creating powerful anima beings of all elements (if you count raids 2 artwork) says this place is very elemental and very high up. So once i settled on the idea the balance plane is where the elders combined and that life was the catalytic upgrade to elemental thats what sold it to me. Thats why i say they first created a balance world without the stone (mazcab) then 1 final world with the stone being gilenor

And yeah like i said, abbinah is just weird. I'm still set on keeping armadyls line of its near kethsi so given all the other runes are taken that leaves chaos being abbinah or the gas giant. Clearly the gas giant would be the more primitive and elemental of the 2 so should be the earlier one logically. You have to remember when it gets to the catalytic planes they're not so much elemental anymore, thats when they become more balanced and earth-like to have better life. So again i still think abbinah should be the higher one

31-May-2018 00:44:31

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I fucking hate the forums. I just wrote a whole thing and it logged me out and didn't post when I clicked "post", so I'm gonna try to rewrite what I just said.

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I love the Mazcab concept, but isn't it weird that no gods set up a "listening post" or a forward base for when the edicts inevitably fell. We don't have an official timeline for Tuska from Mazcab to Gielinor, and she has been to Naragi, so it's safe to assume that she can travel vast distances, but I do like the concept regardless, but I think it's a bit strange.

As for Abbinah, the Elders do go back and refine old realms. Just look at Yu'buisk. I mean, even the gas planet had life, even if they were just bugs.

Mod Stu said :
...The elder gods also sometimes returned to their earlier worlds and adapted them using new techniques they'd refined.

Infernus is another such example of returning to touch up an earlier work of art, and that's why there's a blood altar but no known catalytic blood worlds but there is a blood world in the lower planes, and no smoke or ice altar but there are smoke runes. Their earlier drafts were used for different applications.

31-May-2018 02:28:16

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Yes the gas giant had life but they where only tiny flying bugs, not like a full on species with a culture like the aviantse. The whole point of the elders making the worlds was to learn how to get better at making them. And their overall goal was to make a planet with the best anima which basically means it needs to be good as sustaining life to generate it. So from this its reasonable to assume that the more primitive planets that are very simple or plain came first, and the more advanced ones with oceans and continents with varying biomes (more earth like ones basically) which held better forms of life came afterwards

This is why i said on the bik path the dust world came first then yubuisk. The dust world was very plain and basic while yubuisk (eventually) had oceans and thriving jungles with many races. Same thing with the boiling world and muspell on the ful path. The boiling world is basically venus and so is very plain with only 1 real environment and 1 very simple bug species. Muspell on the other hand i'm modelling to have oceans of lava creating continents and it had a species with a culture, hence logically this would be the later planet

So looking at this thought process, i look at abbinah and the gas giant and just see that the gas giant is clearly the more primitive of the 2. Even after its been smashed abbinah still had a very successful race develop with its own culture and settlements. Think what it must of been before it was smashed, alot more comparable to the other catalytic worlds than the gas giant. This is why i still think it armadyl must be the later one

31-May-2018 02:45:01

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Ohh and as for stu's comment, its very flawed tbh, makes no sense with the info we have now. Firstly he appears to be implying infernus is linked to the blood rune, even though its the ancient smoke rune. He seems to be implying the blood alter is somehow connected to the blood world even though the alters are very ambiguous about where they actually are. He says there isnt a known catalytic blood but that was a year ago, now we know the system and have very good reason to believe the karamjan world is the blood world and where it is. Also he says theres no ice alter for some reason but that irrelevant cus we know the ancient worlds are aligned to the ancient magic elements even if theres no runes for them (though thats why i made runes for them as concepts)

Either way that kinda doesnt matter anyway cus its been confirmed that the ancient blood and smoke runes are in no way connected to the blood and smoke runes of our current runes. I've asked this a few times before and its clear, they are COMPLETELY different things, thats why i made separate symbols for them

31-May-2018 02:53:06

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You're misinterpreting something. He said the Blood world was linked to Vampyrium, not Infernus, and I'm pretty sure that the Mwanu world is the Death world, not blood.

As for altars being ambiguous, wasn't it basically stated that they draw runic energy from that plane.

31-May-2018 03:23:05

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Yes vampyrium is a blood world but its not "the blood world", its the ancient blood world. All those ancient worlds are the leftovers from the previous universe and its been stated they are completely separate to the runic system we have now despite the unfortunate same names. But like i said all that doesnt really matter cus what he said there is now outdated, there is a blood world now, and a smoke world different from infernus

What i meant by the alters being ambiguous is we know they're tuned to a particular runic energy but its always been ambiguous where the "pocket dimension" of the alter actually is, so like where you're transported to. First place would be just on gilenor same place where their entrance alter is but that just seems rather plain and dull for an answer

Second logical place would be on their respective runic planet. We have as full set of planets for each rune (except the pure runes cus their planets failed for being too primative, probably just extremely elemental areas there). Some alters do indeed look like they're on their respective planet like the body alter but then there are others like the soul alter which looks nothing like tarddiad (the soul world) but instead looks like the river noumenon (which had souls but thats not the runic soul energy). And then you've got the astral alter which has a planet but the alter itself is on gilenor with no dimension

Third place would be in the runespan. This area is in the center of all the runic planets and has every kind of rune flowing through it. Plus the fact hostilus has a portal to every alter inside him and he's in the center of the runespan (in my model atleast) does add evidence to this idea

Honestly if i could i'd remake all the alters, make them look better and get some defined system to where the pocket dimensions actually are cus for now they seem kinda random, likely cus they didnt have the idea of runic planets when they made the alters

31-May-2018 15:09:27

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Gamez X said :
Yes vampyrium is a blood world but its not "the blood world", its the ancient blood world. All those ancient worlds are the leftovers from the previous universe and its been stated they are completely separate to the runic system we have now despite the unfortunate same names. But like i said all that doesnt really matter cus what he said there is now outdated, there is a blood world now, and a smoke world different from infernus


Can you source this?

31-May-2018 18:11:03

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There was a thread discussing the last runefests lore section and mod stu came in to clear up some questions after someone pointed out that they had labeled 2 worlds as the smoke rune (infernus and abbinah)
Mod Stu said :
There's a subtle difference there, similar to the difference between smoke runes and smoke spells (which don't actually require smoke runes to cast). Infernus is a world from the previous revision that was almost, but not entirely, drained of energy in the elder god's consumption of the previous cycle. There are trace elements of ancient smoke, blood and ice magic in a few husks of dead worlds that surround Freneskae, that were later discovered, energised and channelled through further analysis, experimentation and the mastery of more complex catalytic energies. The previous elder gods may have achieved the discovery of other ancient elements, but these are all that remain
He then went on to say how he wants to make a clear distinction between the ancient smoke and normal smoke rune. I'm certain i've had raven outright stating they're completely separate things too a few times but i just cant remember where or when that was

Plus when you think about it, it only makes sense they're different. The ancient elements and ancient worlds have been stated a few times now to be the leftovers of the previous universe, nothing to do with the current one at all. The current runes and the system that makes them are all from the current elders and smoke/blood are defined in the current system and we know where they go on the ful path. Would make no sense to say the 2 bloods are the same cus vampyrium is a lower world and not a catalytic one plus it would open questions to why ice/shadow have no places in the current system then

This is why i made separate symbols and runes for the ancient elements to make it clear they are totally different

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How so? I've had the 2 main lore mods say theres a difference between ancient blood/smoke and the current blood/smoke runes, with stu there saying he wants to make clear distinctions between the 2, thats confirmation right there isnt it. Heck the fact they labeled 2 worlds as 2 different smokes (which had different symbols) should be a clue in itself that theres something different going on

They've made it very clear that the ancient worlds are from the previous universe and the previous magic system, nothing to do with the current magic system or current universe. And like i've pointed out theres a clear defined system to how the current elders combined together to make all the current runes with the current blood and smoke being listed on there. It would make no sense to say they're a part of the current magic system but also the same as the previous one cus the previous one had different elders (or atleast a different generation of them with atleast 1 more in the mix). And like i pointed out it would cause issues saying that they're the same cus all the spots in the current magic system are defined but ice and shadow arnt a part of it

Couple that with the fact we now have extra worlds to fill up those spots in the current universe pretty much confirms it too. If you say blood and smoke are taken by vampyrium and infernus, theres no options left for the wildcat/wolf world or the gas giant. Plus again they had labeled abbinah as smoke so that model is already debunked

Every way i try to reason this says that the ancient elements and current ones are completely separate things despite 2 sharing names (remember they didnt think of any of this lore when they made ancient magics). And again i've seen raven out right stating that in various random places so i'm certain this point is already 100% confirmed

31-May-2018 20:17:19

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