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Raleirosen

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Hguoh said :
Uranium did not suddenly become radioactive because humans observed it. As far as we know, anyway. :^)
I'm actually quite a fan of the anthropic principle as a philosophical topic.

In any case, I will echo Rifle and Hguoh: saying that there are only individuals in the universe/all comparisons are inherently subjective flies in the face of reality. Patrolling Lore FC almost makes you wish for a Great Revision.

23-Mar-2017 03:42:43 - Last edited on 23-Mar-2017 03:46:21 by Raleirosen

Cthris
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Hguoh said :
Cthris said :
Those are all perceived similarities, traits, etc. that only exist in the human mind.

Yeah, no. The physical properties of matter, chemical reactions under various circumstances, the similarities species share that enable them to breed, etc... existed prior to humans ever came into being, and they will continue longer after we cease to exist (if the species ever does). All humanity did was organize them for our own purposes.


Chemical reactions are energy transferences. Energy is reducible to material bodies. All material bodies have infinite variance. Thus no chemical reaction is objectively the same. Yet we perceive some of them to be the same, thus the similarities are subjective.

Species aren't able breed because they are similar. They can breed because mechanical forces that act upon the bodies of individual bodies that cause the arrangement of matter present within said bodies to act in a particular way that causes the generation of new organisms.

Similarity is only a perception. It is a quality, like colour, sound, smell and taste. Colour, sound, smell/tastes don't exist in reality. Only photons, sound waves and particles exist. Only individual bodies with infinite amounts variance exist.

23-Mar-2017 03:57:55 - Last edited on 23-Mar-2017 03:59:07 by Cthris

Raleirosen

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Cthris said :
Chemical reactions are energy transferences. Energy is reducible to material bodies. All material bodies have infinite variance. Thus no chemical reaction is objectively the same. Yet we perceive some of them to be the same, thus the similarities are subjective.

Species aren't able breed because they are similar. They can breed because mechanical forces that act upon the bodies of individual bodies that cause the arrangement of matter present within said bodies to act in a particular way that causes the generation of new organisms.

Similarity is only a perception. It is a quality, like colour, sound, smell and taste. Colour, sound, smell/tastes don't exist in reality. Only photons, sound waves and particles exist. Are you familiar with the term "woo woo"?

Actually I'll retract that comparison since you're really arguing for the exact opposite. Instead, let's try a different tack... how about this for an objective similarity: all triangles have three sides. Patrolling Lore FC almost makes you wish for a Great Revision.

23-Mar-2017 04:02:52 - Last edited on 23-Mar-2017 04:05:00 by Raleirosen

Rifleavenger
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Cthris said :
Species aren't able breed because they are similar. They can breed because mechanical forces that act upon the bodies of individual bodies that cause the arrangement of matter present within said bodies to act in a particular way that causes the generation of new organisms. And that reaction only succeeds if the nucelotide sequences are similar enough. There can be any number of differences in other circumstances between the molecules, electrons flying this way and that, but if not enough A's, G's, C's, and T's match you do not get a new organism.

23-Mar-2017 04:06:41 - Last edited on 23-Mar-2017 04:07:31 by Rifleavenger

Hguoh

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Cthris said :
Similarity is only a perception. It is a quality, like colour, sound, smell and taste. Colour, sound, smell/tastes don't exist in reality. Only photons, sound waves and particles exist. Only individual bodies with infinite amounts variance exist.

And how do you think those things happen?

Colour is a wavelength of light, it can be measured and compared objectively.

Sound is the frequency and amplitude of a compression wave in an elastic medium, it can be measured and compared objectively.

Smell is the presence and concentration of certain particles in the nearby air (ex: methane), It can be measured and compared objectively.

Taste is the presence and concentration of certain particles on the tastebuds (ex: capsaicin), it can be measured and compared objectively.

23-Mar-2017 04:14:15 - Last edited on 23-Mar-2017 04:19:24 by Hguoh

Hguoh

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Cthris said :
Chemical reactions are energy transferences. Energy is reducible to material bodies. All material bodies have infinite variance. Thus no chemical reaction is objectively the same. Yet we perceive some of them to be the same, thus the similarities are subjective.

And yet they are similar enough that the results can be replicated with little to no variance over and over again. Again, you get hung up on the 'infinite' differences, not realizing that the sum of them makes little to no difference.

Cthris said :
Species aren't able breed because they are similar. They can breed because mechanical forces that act upon the bodies of individual bodies that cause the arrangement of matter present within said bodies to act in a particular way that causes the generation of new organisms.

And yet said processes are incompatible with other species or inorganic objects because there are vastly more differences between them than with other members of the same species. You need a similar enough nucleotide sequence or it will fail (and this similarity can be measured).

Beyond that, the method by which conception happens, or as you put it, 'mechanical forces that act upon bodies that cause the arrangement of matter present within said bodies to act in a particular way that causes the generation of new organisms,' is fairly darn consistent internally within any given species: that's a similarity.

23-Mar-2017 04:16:51

Hguoh

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The entire point we are trying to make here is this: yes, no too things are exactly alike, and even the most similar things are infinitely different from one another, but, rather obviously, the sum of said differences can often have a negligible or even unmeasurable effect.

23-Mar-2017 04:22:10

Edcy

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In every faction there are seems to be loons that don't actually know alot bout their supposed behaviour. Like how Juna was between three walls for so long and claimed thing or two about Guthix's ways that later proved very distorted huh!

Obviously i'm to still suggest the rest of you to pick good sides from each faction and have your inner, personal faction free from all influence! But should you be submittive worm, so be it...

23-Mar-2017 23:26:16

Lego Miester
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Ultimately the fact that his outlook has put him at odds with so many powerful enemies is good then. It is unlikely he'll ever fully win as people continue to oppose him. In doing so, dare I say ideally, he will never stop fighting. The Zamorakian afterlife even reflects this. Headcanon Haven, where everything is made up and the points don't matter.
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24-Mar-2017 04:44:50

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