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Balustan

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Raxxess said :
Balustan said :
Raxxess said :
Balustan said :
Neo Bestia said :
I had thought it was quite clear in DoC thst Saradomin was a human. It seems I was confused.

It is quite easy to be confused. I knew myself I could have been mistaken but given how annoyed I was at the out if game reveal of Saradomin being human reveal I thought it wasn't that early.

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There is no double standard and again with name shaming lol.

Deny it all you want the reasons you gave for denying my quote apply to another quote from the same J Mod you did accept as canon. Your only purpose with which you choose to accept quotes is based upon if they are positive towards your faction or negatives towards others.

That is what a double standard is.

I never said that though of course it will seem like a double standard if you make a claim that I didn't say. Plus if you were correct in that I did take that quote as canon which I didn't I could then point to it being connected to in game lore which at the time was the BoL. But then even better it gets confirmed in the DoC quest pairing the BoL, with the quote, and DoC well that's all pieces that work together to establish what would be canon lore.

It clarified nothing from BoL and DoC does nothing with it either. You said in a post you accepted it as canon before One of a Kind therefore you did. It was new information therefore the criteria for your acceptance of quotes was met by the abandonment quote the criteria you have laid out in this thread by your arguments against the quote in question.

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24-May-2014 01:40:05

Raxxess

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Balustan said :

It clarified nothing from BoL and DoC does nothing with it either. You said in a post you accepted it as canon before One of a Kind therefore you did. It was new information therefore the criteria for your acceptance of quotes was met by the abandonment quote the criteria you have laid out in this thread by your arguments against the quote in question.

Had nothing to with the J-mod quote. Doc was before OoaK and how can you say that mortal means it can't be human because that is not the case at all. Humans are mortals Saradomin saying he was mortal never ruled out being human which actually was the most likely option.

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24-May-2014 01:54:19

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Seraphius

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....god 2 hours offline and it's getting into another bashing thread already. I was going to say 'can't we just get along', but I know that's kind of futile before I even say it.

We're partially making such a big deal out of this because, well, whether Saradomin abandoned the humans reveals big bits of his character. And don't tell me that just because it's in the past 'it's ok to admit it' - you see people still using the Naragi God Wars and Garlandia against Saradomin, and likewise say Loarnab makes Zaros look bad. Sometimes when someone is feeling in a forgiving mood they'd say 'oh that's all in the past', and when he's not no matter how the event happened aeons in the past that someone'll just reference the event like the god committed the bad thing yesterday evening. This is just where we have no control over: if you want the god to look bad, you'll make the god look bad no matter what. So we'd preferably not like to give others some half-confirmed 'piece of evidence' that they can go on quoting as solid fact: as you might see that kind of starts an unhealthy trend of sorts.

But honestly Balustan, get a grip. Canon or no you're already obsessed with proving Raxxess has this 'double standard' of yours halfway, and then mainly concerned with spewing 'that's what I hate about you Saradominists' under a thin veneer of discussing canon. It gets in the way of all objective discussion when you're desperately trying to assault someone, not his position on stuff. You can come back and declare things about me and frankly all Saradominists here, but the moment you started bashing people instead of discussing stuff is the moment you've lost my ear for your opinions. This lore forum is already very crowded: there is little space for dogged antagonism here.

24-May-2014 01:57:01

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Cthris

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I don't think i can forgive any of the murderous gods for what they did, none of them received punishments for what they did so until they do, i can never forgive them, even if they have changed.

Its the same irl, if someone murders someone, even if they feel really bad for it later, they still go to prison.

24-May-2014 01:59:28

Balustan

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@Seraphium yes because to discuss lore at all it cannot be done if they choose their sources based on what is positive or negative about a character rather than the source itself. Which us what occurred here with at least one condemner of the source. Why discuss lore if some people pick and choose on the basis of a source being positive or negative about a character which I think I have proven has happened.

@Raxxess you once more misunderstand. Mortal not being equal to human does not mean him being mortal cannot be human. Stating Saradomin was human or stating he was mortal are 2 separate things that should not be confused. I never at any point said the mortality rules out his humanity you are inferring something from my posts which was never said and you do this often.

The J Mod quote was not providing clarification or even context to DoC or the BoL but was new information and it fit your criteria for non-canonical/reliable quotes as you laid out earlier in the thread.

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24-May-2014 02:03:10

Raxxess

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I agree here with Seraphius.

@ Balustan Here is the glorious part to all of this. There is nothing that controls people's view on a certain subject. Sure you can claim false statements from be but even with them, they don't prove a double standard at all. They prove that I look at lore in my own way. You can have your opinion and say I'm wrong but you couldn't ever say I have a double standard or say I have to accept a certain piece of lore for whatever reason you feel I should. So anyway you write it, you can't decide how people think.

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24-May-2014 02:03:31 - Last edited on 24-May-2014 02:03:58 by Raxxess

Chaos Lupus

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Cthris said :
I don't think i can forgive any of the murderous gods for what they did, none of them received punishments for what they did so until they do, i can never forgive them, even if they have changed.

Its the same irl, if someone murders someone, even if they feel really bad for it later, they still go to prison.

That's like...all of the major gods. Even Seren indirectly killed some of the mahjarrat by tricking them.

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24-May-2014 02:05:42

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Cthris

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Chaos Lupus said :
Cthris said :
I don't think i can forgive any of the murderous gods for what they did, none of them received punishments for what they did so until they do, i can never forgive them, even if they have changed.

Its the same irl, if someone murders someone, even if they feel really bad for it later, they still go to prison.

That's like...all of the major gods. Even Seren indirectly killed some of the mahjarrat by tricking them.

Well then bye bye godies

24-May-2014 02:09:47

Balustan

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Raxxess said :
I agree here with Seraphius.

@ Balustan Here is the glorious part to all of this. There is nothing that controls people's view on a certain subject. Sure you can claim false statements from be but even with them, they don't prove a double standard at all. They prove that I look at lore in my own way. You can have your opinion and say I'm wrong but you couldn't ever say I have a double standard or say I have to accept a certain piece of lore for whatever reason you feel I should. So anyway you write it, you can't decide how people think.

I agree however your completely arbitrary notion of choosing which sources apply is not why you argued against the abandonment quote originally and so your argument against that in the context you provided is non-substantially and purely based upon a notion rather than on any criteria as you had argued it was earlier.

If you do think like you do then do not try to claim a criteria for deciding as you have done when you in fact do not have any such criteria.

Also a double standard is when you do something based on these reasons and for the same reasons do the opposite. You stated you disregarded the abandonment quote for certain reasons and then said you had accepted a J mod quote to which fit the same criteria. Either you lied about the criteria or you do indeed have another standard.

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24-May-2014 02:12:16 - Last edited on 24-May-2014 02:14:21 by Balustan

Raxxess

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Balustan said :
Raxxess said :
I agree here with Seraphius.

@ Balustan Here is the glorious part to all of this. There is nothing that controls people's view on a certain subject. Sure you can claim false statements from be but even with them, they don't prove a double standard at all. They prove that I look at lore in my own way. You can have your opinion and say I'm wrong but you couldn't ever say I have a double standard or say I have to accept a certain piece of lore for whatever reason you feel I should. So anyway you write it, you can't decide how people think.

I agree however your completely arbitrary notion of choosing which sources apply is not why you argued against the abandonment quote originally and so your argument against that in the context you provided is non-substantially and purely based upon a notion rather than on any criteria as you had argued it was earlier.

If you do think like you do then do not try to claim a criteria for deciding as you have done when you in fact do not have any such criteria.

Also a double standard is when you do something based on these reasons and for the same reasons do the opposite. You stated you disregarded the abandonment quote for certain reasons and then said you had accepted a J mod quote to which fit the same criteria. Either you lied about the criteria or you do indeed have another standard.

That's not a double standard all these examples are unique in their own way they don't follow a certain pattern its like you said both are from Mod Osborne and Both deal with Saradomin so that's actually lack of double standard. And you can say they are both negative because one disproves him being the one true god and the other makes him abandon his followers.

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24-May-2014 02:18:44

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