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Cthris
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Okay then, if you are fine with your gods negatives, then congrats, other peoples opinions shouldn't matter to you, who cares if they hate X god, you yourself are fine with X god so be happy with that.

21-Apr-2014 22:32:08

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Cybernet377 said :
Main reason for this is because of the actions of Nerevarine and Icriulus. The lore forum had to deal with their disingenuous assertions and snide dismissal of counterpoints so often that no one wants to hear anything about Saradomin.

Meh, they have been gone for a while. Anyone still bitter over them have problems holding grudges.

22-Apr-2014 01:08:08

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Cthris said :
No ones making you follow Saradomin, don't like his flaws, then switch. Jagex doesn't have to make the gods equal, they are just characters after all.

If Jagex didn't make factions and had a clear set idea that Zaros was the god they wanted you to follow, then that would be fine. The problem is that they created factions, though, meaning they intend for other gods to be followed as well. In order to keep these factions from being defunct, though, they have to balance them all out so that no faction has any clear advantage over another.

22-Apr-2014 02:04:43

Cthris
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Falcoshin said :
Cthris said :
No ones making you follow Saradomin, don't like his flaws, then switch. Jagex doesn't have to make the gods equal, they are just characters after all.

If Jagex didn't make factions and had a clear set idea that Zaros was the god they wanted you to follow, then that would be fine. The problem is that they created factions, though, meaning they intend for other gods to be followed as well. In order to keep these factions from being defunct, though, they have to balance them all out so that no faction has any clear advantage over another.

First of all in the second most recent podcast they said factions were merely made so you could feel more involved in the game.

Secondly what determines an advantage, an evil god has an advantage over a good god in attracting players who want to be "evil", and vice versa.

Heck according to what they said it seems like they didn't think anyone would seriously side with saradomin, and they planned to make him much more evil, but thanks to a large group of players siding with him.

Also people should remember it's not factionscape, factions are a very small part of runescape, they were just put in so people could feel more involved, they were never planned to be balanced, they even said they wanted bandos to be an evil option, so people can whine and complain that factions are unfair, Jagex doesn't care, really if you don't like the lore your character choice likes then choose another, but hey your a testament that people can look at the bigger picture, ignoring the past and focusing on the good to come, not everyone can do that, so if they did try to balance all the gods, a very very large amount of people would feel they are being forced into godless.

And face it lots of people like absolute good characters like armadyl, and ithlarin. Although I find mixed characters more interesting not everyone does.

22-Apr-2014 02:44:31

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Cthris said :

First of all in the second most recent podcast they said factions were merely made so you could feel more involved in the game.

Secondly what determines an advantage, an evil god has an advantage over a good god in attracting players who want to be "evil", and vice versa.

Heck according to what they said it seems like they didn't think anyone would seriously side with saradomin, and they planned to make him much more evil, but thanks to a large group of players siding with him.

Also people should remember it's not factionscape, factions are a very small part of runescape, they were just put in so people could feel more involved, they were never planned to be balanced, they even said they wanted bandos to be an evil option, so people can whine and complain that factions are unfair, Jagex doesn't care, really if you don't like the lore your character choice likes then choose another, but hey your a testament that people can look at the bigger picture, ignoring the past and focusing on the good to come, not everyone can do that, so if they did try to balance all the gods, a very very large amount of people would feel they are being forced into godless.

And face it lots of people like absolute good characters like armadyl, and ithlarin.

And there lies the rub. If people find a character interesting of course they are going to want more character development. I mean lets put it this way not faction flaws. Saradomin released=2001 First real quest involving him was DoC=2013. A videogame's lore is no different than a story and that is what people want out of it, the problem being that lore developers have to appeal to varying views. I think putting in god factions was a great thing because it got players more involved in the story maybe not for the right reasons but regardless that is what happened. So if it works why not make things more balanced?
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22-Apr-2014 03:50:46

Cthris
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Balanced in what way, content wise saradomin has received the most since tww. Tuska and bandos have received the least, although I might want these two to have more content, I want Jagex to tell their story, and not change it from how they want to tell it, to how players want it told, so I don't complain content wise.

22-Apr-2014 12:02:02

Raxxess

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Cthris said :
Balanced in what way, content wise saradomin has received the most since tww. Tuska and bandos have received the least, although I might want these two to have more content, I want Jagex to tell their story, and not change it from how they want to tell it, to how players want it told, so I don't complain content wise.

I wouldn't really say the most the thing that kinda irked me was how Zaros return has its own quest series building up over 9-10 years with a good deal of master quests ending in the biggest grandmaster quest ever released.

And then how Saradomin's return is basically a cameo in TWW, Zamorak is just a 5second cut scene from WE1. You don't see armadyl or Bandos. Saradomin doesn't have a ton of content I would love for them to address teragard and basically all the info that was never covered on him I mean he never gets in-depth lore. But I think they are probably saving that as back up content or something like that. But it would be nice to see more of Tuska and Bandos, I really hope bandos dying isn't the end of all that content because that rhinoceros race he was a part of was pretty interesting.
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22-Apr-2014 13:20:23

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Forcing balanced characters is a way to make a better story than what they could be telling. Are you really telling me that you'd prefer the current Mary Sue Zaros over the anti-hero Yawgmoth expy we could have had?

22-Apr-2014 19:55:28

Cthris
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Falcoshin said :
Forcing balanced characters is a way to make a better story than what they could be telling. Are you really telling me that you'd prefer the current Mary Sue Zaros over the anti-hero Yawgmoth expy we could have had?

Why do you always, and I mean always reference stuff i have no idea about, like is that even a word :P

And i am not a fan of how they portrayed Zaros, though its merely because it wasn't like how i always imagined it in my head, he's too nice and charming, i wanted him more disconnected, like a robot, to be more blunt and harsh. Whatever he's still a good character, the minced up nihl bits and the fact that he could always be lying makes him not really a mary sue, plus you can kill him, you can't do that to the other gods, which you could say is unfair if you cared about that kind of stuff, or the fact he will never appear in a world event which i guess to the biggest faction kinda sucks if you again cared about that stuff.

To be fair Zaros is prob one of the most balanced characters, anything he does can be looked at as either good or bad, like anything Ithlarin does pretty much can be looked at as good, heck I haven't even seen people say Tumneken is evil and he did blew up a large part of the world.

22-Apr-2014 22:54:12

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