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Raxxess

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On a different thread and it has happened many times before. I have noticed that people have taken the idea that saradomin's crown brought tuska and skargaroth to naragi and they assume it is cannon. Have you ever noticed that lore regarding any other gods is never accepted as fact, but with saradomin even lore that is supposed to be one sided or inaccurate is taken as complete fact. Has anyone else noticed this?
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20-Apr-2014 15:30:16

Cybernet377
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Raxxess said :
On a different thread and it has happened many times before. I have noticed that people have taken the idea that saradomin's crown brought tuska and skargaroth to naragi and they assume it is cannon. Have you ever noticed that lore regarding any other gods is never accepted as fact, but with saradomin even lore that is supposed to be one sided or inaccurate is taken as complete fact. Has anyone else noticed this?

It's just you. Literally every faction has had this happen to them, except for Bandos (all of the bad things about him are completely true) and Sliske (same reason).

20-Apr-2014 15:37:05

Raxxess

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Cybernet377 said :
Raxxess said :
On a different thread and it has happened many times before. I have noticed that people have taken the idea that saradomin's crown brought tuska and skargaroth to naragi and they assume it is cannon. Have you ever noticed that lore regarding any other gods is never accepted as fact, but with saradomin even lore that is supposed to be one sided or inaccurate is taken as complete fact. Has anyone else noticed this?

It's just you. Literally every faction has had this happen to them, except for Bandos (all of the bad things about him are completely true) and Sliske (same reason).

I guess that could be true. But I think its different with Saradomin his questionable lore is directly made to put him in a negative light. But what I don't understand is in the forums people don't want to discuss the lore about it. I had one thread were when I presented my example they thought it was really interesting and actually accepted it and built on upon it.

I guess what I'm getting at, is the negative lore on saradomin is really over the top compared to other gods.

A good example is the Nihil in Fot*. The nihil literally try to kill the player and the Nihil aren't creations of mah but they are creations of Zaros. But most people come to a consensus that he doesn't control the nihil and they attacked the player on their own. And that is kind of shrugged aside.

Zamorak blew up forinthry, but he is defended in this because it was his only option being surrounded by every other god.

Armadyl's war driving the avianse to near extinction, but he came back and they were thriving on his home world.

Saradomin's crown apparently is the cause of the entire naragi godwars. Saradomin tore garlandia's wings off. Saradomin just stomped Askroth. You see what I mean?
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20-Apr-2014 15:45:20 - Last edited on 20-Apr-2014 16:05:19 by Raxxess

Cybernet377
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Raxxess said :
But what I don't understand is in the forums people don't want to discuss the lore about it. I had one thread were when I presented my example they thought it was really interesting and actually accepted it and built on upon it.

Main reason for this is because of the actions of Nerevarine and Icriulus. The lore forum had to deal with their disingenuous assertions and snide dismissal of counterpoints so often that no one wants to hear anything about Saradomin. I think it was either Lego or Dennorak who said it best: "It's not a problem of Saradomin himself, it's a problem of his followers."

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A good example is the Nihil in Fot*. The nihil literally try to kill the player and the Nihil aren't creations of mah but they are creations of Zaros. But most people come to a consensus that he doesn't control the nihil and they attacked the player on their own. And that is kind of shrugged aside.

Well, he kind of doesn't. There's no reason for Zaros to have the Nihil attack the player, and them doing so is directly detrimental to Zaros' plans. He cast them off to the side as failures without giving a second thought about it, and it came back to almost bite him in the ass a couple thousand years later.

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Zamorak is accused on nearly a daily basis of setting things on fire for giggles and supporting social darwinism. Half of the paths system is quests about Zamorakians being super evil.

Armadyl was accused of turning into Big High War Chicken by Grubfoot and the lore forum accepted it completely.

The Godless are accused of racist sociopathy whenever the other factions aren't too busy taking potshots at their traditional enemy.

If you want, I could pull up all of the old justifications for Saradomin's actions and show where Zarosians ignored valid points in favor of stupid jokes that they could spew into any thread that was about Saradomin.

20-Apr-2014 17:27:42

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Cybernet377 said :


If you want, I could pull up all of the old justifications for Saradomin's actions and show where Zarosians ignored valid points in favor of stupid jokes they could spew into any thread that was about saradomin

Yea april's fools was really bad, ashamed to say just as a lore junkie that about a good 1/4 of this entire section are wing ripper comments.
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20-Apr-2014 19:16:38

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Cthris said :
No ones making you follow Saradomin, don't like his flaws, then switch. Jagex doesn't have to make the gods equal, they are just characters after all.

That is the whole point of the lore discussion you discuss differing views. Merely pointing out that Saradomin gets a lot of negative feedback on this forum..

But on a side note to Jagex not having to make the gods equal, they can do that but then there shouldn't even be player factions. The WEs were based more on popularity what is the point in having events like that and player faction if you don't make the gods equally bad and equally, and the answer is because they are all even in that respect and its up to the player to decide what god he likes.

So its not right to assume that you are following a god that has the most negative image or the best portrayed god because that is not how the lore is made they all have their flaws and positive points.
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21-Apr-2014 22:12:27

Cthris
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Raxxess said :


But on a side note to Jagex not having to make the gods equal, they can do that but then there shouldn't even be player factions. The WEs were based more on popularity what is the point in having events like that and player faction if you don't make the gods equally bad and equally, and the answer is because they are all even in that respect and its up to the player to decide what god he likes.



Jagex said in the second most recent podcast that they didn't even expect people to take the gods a seriously as they do, they are supposed to be characters. Factions were merely made so that people could feel more involved with the game.

If you think that X god should win the event then support x god.

They don't have to be balanced with good and evil because that's not how everyone plays, not everyone chooses the good choice, a lot of people choose the evil chose because its far more interesting.

Besides all the gods now are pretty much the same now, He did some bad stuff in the past, but now this time around he has changed and will do stuff differently and the result wont be the same.

Who am I even talking about, Zaros, Saradomin, Zamorak, Armadyl, Bandos

I'm sorry the other stuff, I'm not really sure what you were trying to say, or how it related to what I said, feel free to better explain or something.

21-Apr-2014 22:23:44

Raxxess

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Cthris said :
Raxxess said :


But on a side note to Jagex not having to make the gods equal, they can do that but then there shouldn't even be player factions. The WEs were based more on popularity what is the point in having events like that and player faction if you don't make the gods equally bad and equally, and the answer is because they are all even in that respect and its up to the player to decide what god he likes.



Jagex said in the second most recent podcast that they didn't even expect people to take the gods a seriously as they do, they are supposed to be characters. Factions were merely made so that people could feel more involved with the game.

If you think that X god should win the event then support x god.

They don't have to be balanced with good and evil because that's not how everyone plays, not everyone chooses the good choice, a lot of people choose the evil chose because its far more interesting.

Besides all the gods now are pretty much the same now, He did some bad stuff in the past, but now this time around he has changed and will do stuff differently and the result wont be the same.

Who am I even talking about, Zaros, Saradomin, Zamorak, Armadyl, Bandos

I'm sorry the other stuff, I'm not really sure what you were trying to say, or how it related to what I said, feel free to better explain or something.

It is just how the characters are made, it is why they put in emissaries and choices in quests. You said if you don't like his flaws then switch so I was saying they all have flaws.
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21-Apr-2014 22:27:52

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