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The Mather1
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Lord Bilrach said :
Anyone else find it odd that the Kinshra are keeping a public book in their headquarters that tells of how their own founder wanted them to dissolve and they twisted his words?

I dunno, I feel like it should have been written in a way that actually DID twist his words, but leaves a hint that they are being biased. This book would likely bring the reader to three conclusions.

1) The White Knights are intolerant and possibly evil.

2) The Kinshra are victims.

3) The Kinshra are no longer an organization of any worth and should be disbanded.

One and two fit the Kinshra agenda just fine, but it just feels strange for the Kinshra to document this in a way that paints them as deteriorating. Maybe the book would twist Valzin's words, and there would be a private document in Dulcin's room detailing the last words of Valzin, where he gives his real opinion on the Kinshra but this would be keep secret from most Kinshra members?
The Kinshra have always been the victims of this. For years we've known that they were unjustly ousted from Falador. If anything, they're less victimized now, as before the reason was stated to be corruption at the hands of the White Knights, who went over the king's head to have them declared terrorists.

This does change something about the politics of Asgarnia though, as I believe according to the old lore, Burthorpe was the capital whereas Falador was just the seat of the White Knights.
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05-Feb-2015 19:10:41

Derack
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so it is changed to that the kinshra where forced to leave the city because of some incidents. instead of that King Raddallin got sick/ill to rule and the white knights took over, or something like that?
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05-Feb-2015 20:46:09

Lord Drakan
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Derack said :
so it is changed to that the kinshra where forced to leave the city because of some incidents. instead of that King Raddallin got sick/ill to rule and the white knights took over, or something like that?
Raddallin was the first king of Asgarnia and lived in the first century of the Fifth Age. You're talking about King Vallance falling ill in 162/163, i.*. the second century, and the White Knights' subsequent declaration that the Kinshra are to wield no more political power. Can assure you that the book (both currently and after the adjustments to be discussed here) does not retcon or change any lore. :) Bizarre Boron Fusswell, scryer extraordinaire. OSRS: POH ideas & RS3 minigames & achievement ideas !

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05-Feb-2015 21:09:53

Lord Bilrach

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At this point the whole thing with King Vallance is something I've been aware for awhile but for the life of me, I can't source. Does anyone remember where it was officially revealed in game that the White Knights more or less usurped their king and took away the Kinshra's political power?

05-Feb-2015 21:22:12

Lord Drakan
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Lord Bilrach said :
At this point the whole thing with King Vallance is something I've been aware for awhile but for the life of me, I can't source. Does anyone remember where it was officially revealed in game that the White Knights more or less usurped their king and took away the Kinshra's political power?
Varrock Museum for sure, and possibly Denulth dialogue (not sure, sorry). Usurping...not necessarily. I assume the eventual grandmaster Temple Knight finale will reveal. Bizarre Boron Fusswell, scryer extraordinaire. OSRS: POH ideas & RS3 minigames & achievement ideas !

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05-Feb-2015 21:24:54

Derack
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Lord Drakan said :
Derack said :
so it is changed to that the kinshra where forced to leave the city because of some incidents. instead of that King Raddallin got sick/ill to rule and the white knights took over, or something like that?
Raddallin was the first king of Asgarnia and lived in the first century of the Fifth Age. You're talking about King Vallance falling ill in 162/163, i.*. the second century, and the White Knights' subsequent declaration that the Kinshra are to wield no more political power. Can assure you that the book (both currently and after the adjustments to be discussed here) does not retcon or change any lore. :) ah.. thought i was confusing with those names lol :p
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05-Feb-2015 21:40:42

William Witt
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@ Wahisietel

Hi, Wahi. I was aware of that, but we might discuss it later. For now, anyone have any suggestions for how to work the text I described into the very start of the book? Ideally it should be eyecatching, perhaps set apart from the rest of the text somehow.


@ Hazeel

I intended the text to say this:

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With the full resources of the realm behind the project, work progressed quickly on the castle that was now being constructed on the eastern slopes of Ice Mountain. Yet as the work progressed, Lord Valzin’s health declined. It was as the fortress his mansion had become was at last becoming habitable that Lord Valzin passed away. In his last hours, however, the old man seemed to experience a change of heart. He began to insist that the Kinshra be dissolved upon his death, and would not be reasoned with. His final words were a declaration that no man apart from him would lead the order. With the loss of his influence, there was no longer anything to allow the Kinshra further time in Falador. Thus did the members of the order, now leaderless and with bitterness in their hearts, prepare for the journey north. On the day of their departure, the Kinshra declared that they would no longer recognise the legitimacy of King Raddallin’s government or his claim to the throne. It was their order who had truly built the nation, and they were its rightful rulers—and one day they would claim what was theirs by right. King Raddallin looked darkly upon these words of treason, but allowed them to depart Falador unm
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In your opinion, does that solve your issue, or does it still need work?
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06-Feb-2015 06:58:18 - Last edited on 06-Feb-2015 07:07:12 by William Witt

Lord Bilrach

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@Ren Bo Dash

That does fix part of the issue yes, but looking but at it, it brings up another issue. How did the Kinshra only recently lose political power with King Vallance when they pretty much declared themselves as Falador's enemies when Raddallin was still around?

06-Feb-2015 07:22:52

William Witt
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Well, pre-existing lore already tells us that when they left, the Kinshra vowed to return, to make Falador their own one day. For generations they have been attempting to do that, by strength as well as by subtlety. In fact, they still wield some political power in Asgarnia, albeit a shadow of their former influence.
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06-Feb-2015 07:30:21 - Last edited on 06-Feb-2015 07:34:06 by William Witt

Wahisietel
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Maybe we could do something simple like simple dedicating the first chapter to the fortress.

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Preface
This work is an attempt to archive and catalogue the early history of the order of the Kinshra. Their early days have largely been forgotten in favour of the bitter rivalry between the Kinshra and the White Knights of Falador.

By searching through city archives, interviewing veteran White Knights and Kinshra soldiers, and reviewing what little historical texts do offer on impactful events, I have attempted to create a near-complete account of the order's dawn.

It is the author's hope that this text may remind the reader how this often-misunderstood order of knights forged the kingdom of Asgarnia we know today.

The Fortress
The fortress in which the Kinshra currently reside was originally the mansion of Lord Valzin, who founded the order of the Kinshra. He dedicated his home, finances, and the lives of his family to Zamorak, and fortified the mansion as a base of operations. These family ties later aided Shadwell, Lord Valzin’s most direct male line heir, in his successful bid to become Lord of the Kinshra, and later [firstnamegoeshere] Dulcin being given the rank of captain and control of the fortress.

Chapter 1

To understand the origin of the Kinshra, one must be familiar with the time in which these events took place blah blah blah blah blah
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06-Feb-2015 11:35:18 - Last edited on 06-Feb-2015 11:35:34 by Wahisietel

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