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AesirWarrior
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Hguoh said :

As for the rapid aging bit, none of the gods appeared to age rapidly when their divinity was suppressed in the maze during Sliske's Endgame and they were rendered mortal. So that's the least of your concerns.

Saradomin did. It was implied he'd die of old age if he didn't regain his immortality.

I can literally feel my body ageing, disintegrating with each passing moment, and there is nothing I can do to prevent it. Millennia of borrowed time are catching up to me. If I cannot reclaim what is lost, I shall succumb to death, and I shall be no more. -
I have noticed your kind does tend to blindly stumble forward towards danger simply because it exists. What is your word for that?
- We call it being a hero.

15-Jul-2017 19:11:48 - Last edited on 15-Jul-2017 19:12:03 by AesirWarrior

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AesirWarrior said :
Hguoh said :

As for the rapid aging bit, none of the gods appeared to age rapidly when their divinity was suppressed in the maze during Sliske's Endgame and they were rendered mortal. So that's the least of your concerns.

Saradomin did. It was implied he'd die of old age if he didn't regain his immortality.

I can literally feel my body ageing, disintegrating with each passing moment, and there is nothing I can do to prevent it. Millennia of borrowed time are catching up to me. If I cannot reclaim what is lost, I shall succumb to death, and I shall be no more.

How odd. Armadyl made no comment about aging, yet Aviansie are meant to have about the same lifespan as a human. Granted, Saradomin's been a god for far longer than Armadyl has, but both have been gods for far longer than the average lifespan of their respective races.

15-Jul-2017 19:50:57

AesirWarrior
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Hguoh said :
AesirWarrior said :
Hguoh said :

As for the rapid aging bit, none of the gods appeared to age rapidly when their divinity was suppressed in the maze during Sliske's Endgame and they were rendered mortal. So that's the least of your concerns.

Saradomin did. It was implied he'd die of old age if he didn't regain his immortality.

I can literally feel my body ageing, disintegrating with each passing moment, and there is nothing I can do to prevent it. Millennia of borrowed time are catching up to me. If I cannot reclaim what is lost, I shall succumb to death, and I shall be no more.

How odd. Armadyl made no comment about aging, yet Aviansie are meant to have about the same lifespan as a human. Granted, Saradomin's been a god for far longer than Armadyl has, but both have been gods for far longer than the average lifespan of their respective races.

Maybe Saradomin doesn't just look like an old man because he likes the look? He ascended gradually, through prolonged exposure, rather than in an instant like some of the other gods. Armadyl probably ascended in his prime, while Saradomin could have gradually aged slower before eventually gaining biological immortality. At that point his powers would have been the main thing holding him together.

Even if that's not the case it's still worth noting that Saradomin is older, and Armadyl was moulting, so it's possible he'd feel similar effects later.


Of course, the Doylist answer is probably that it's because he's the only one that looks like an old man... -
I have noticed your kind does tend to blindly stumble forward towards danger simply because it exists. What is your word for that?
- We call it being a hero.

15-Jul-2017 20:09:57 - Last edited on 15-Jul-2017 20:10:45 by AesirWarrior

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Hguoh said :
AesirWarrior said :
Hguoh said :

As for the rapid aging bit, none of the gods appeared to age rapidly when their divinity was suppressed in the maze during Sliske's Endgame and they were rendered mortal. So that's the least of your concerns.

Saradomin did. It was implied he'd die of old age if he didn't regain his immortality.

I can literally feel my body ageing, disintegrating with each passing moment, and there is nothing I can do to prevent it. Millennia of borrowed time are catching up to me. If I cannot reclaim what is lost, I shall succumb to death, and I shall be no more.

How odd. Armadyl made no comment about aging, yet Aviansie are meant to have about the same lifespan as a human. Granted, Saradomin's been a god for far longer than Armadyl has, but both have been gods for far longer than the average lifespan of their respective races. Armadyl did moult though. And he seemed pretty happy about it; I think as an aviansie he takes pride in being part of his community, and is almost ashamed of separating himself somewhat due to his ascension.

Another thing to note is what Harold has to say about the deaths of the gods in the Endgame. For example, light and shadow clashing in the case of Saradomin which suggests that he's been very conflicted over time. He seems to struggle with himself as he makes decisions which he says he has no choice but to make in order to create a utopia. And Armadyl is said to soar and then let the ground take him, while filled with pride; he values being part of his culture. This being said though, it seems as if the gods keep their souls upon ascension but these souls become overwritten in some way, preventing them from reaching the afterlife, which is why Harold could see the gods' deaths and claim them in the maze. Prepare for hell on RuneScape in Naval Cataclysm!

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21-Dec-2017 23:28:23

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Agita Sage said :

I take from this that if Guthix died he would not go to the afterlife and see his daughter and family again, so then why did he allow himself to be killed?

I don't like the Time-Traveller solution that you (well, Jagex) propose. The only way I would consider it a justifiable theory is if you consider his apparently sudden burst of suicidalness a result of the divine energy within him amplifying his personality to such an extent that he became his most extreme self. That self would then however have to be someone who really wants to die just to get being live over and done with, since as you rightfully pointed out there would be no positive end result for him whatshowever. He knew he would cease to exist and that he would never see his family again.

There is more that doesn't add up besides this, however. It has been a long time since I did the quest but if I remember correctly, we definitely did not tell Guthix that his killer would be the mahjarrat Sliske, who would become our greatest enemy until we finally (sort of) kill him, that there were much bigger problems out there that he would have been able to help us with and that in the grand scheme of things (Elder Gods?), his death made everything worse for almost everyone, friend and foe alike. The argument that he had to transfer his power to someone doesn't hold up either since right before his death, he essentially already gives us an aspect of it. If Guthix was really spent and wanted a worthy successor, then why Sliske? Why not us?

Correct me if I'm wrong, but the time loop is more an additonal obstacle than a solution to the mystery at hand.
Guthix never really died. He lives on in all of us.

09-Mar-2018 16:21:35

Sepulchre
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No. It was definitely us.
The 'Time' Engram's wording even changes from he/she depending on the Player Character's gender.

Why Guthix was so ready to die I'm not sure. Maybe we actually visit him AGAIN and tell him of our victory? That way he KNOWS that he has to die? No idea really. Maybe he's just tired of living? A
World Guardian
must learn to find
Balance
in themselves.
Only then can they
Control
themselves and forge their own
Fate .

07-May-2018 23:15:57

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Sepulchre said :
Why Guthix was so ready to die I'm not sure. Maybe we actually visit him AGAIN and tell him of our victory? That way he KNOWS that he has to die? No idea really. Maybe he's just tired of living?

Guthix kinda hates gods, so that in turn made him hate himself. Something convinced him we were the only ones capable of dealing with mortal life on Gielinor, serving as some kind of mediator between different cultures and gods from whatever belief or origin, as some god would always get into some brawl with another, never capable of convincing every mortal at the same time, which would cause the whole system to collapse eventually.

For one I believe the reason Guthix bestowed us with the world guardian function is due to his understanding that everything on Gielinor is alive, intelligent and aware, that mortals are all part of a cycle and not the dominant lifeform. His altruism and deep care for the balance of this world's Anima Mundi made him dedicated to keeping it safe from external threats.

After the wildy blast, he became convinced gods were the prominent evil-doers of the world, and that we (mortals) were just gullible simpletons following orders. The moment we entered Guthix's cave, he was proven wrong; he saw potential in us that differed from the masses. Player could earn respect from everyone, yet at the same make up their minds instead of accepting all they'd been spoonfed.

The previous ages did not see such a dynamic character in Gielinor's history, thus the cultural framework everyone evolved in made them persuaded theirs was the ultimate reality to feel secure. We're capable of making mortals look past their own shadow to solve bigger issues.

Lastly, it's obvious he realized that our visionary experience leading up to The World Wakes was essential for Gielinor to survive, and that we've brought in experiences and necessary understanding so that our planet and its cultures could coexist and endure. Sometimes one must operate within the
shadows
to serve the
light
. For a man makes no noise over a good deed, but passes on to another as a vine to bear fruits again in season, in order that the world may ever be new.

08-May-2018 11:12:32 - Last edited on 08-May-2018 19:13:01 by Byzantinist

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