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Hguoh

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Summerleaf said :

***Quick debate question:

When it says that Aeternam is sharded across time, does it mean that like, they have multiple forms of themselves across time (Like the Gypsy Aris Theory states), or is it kind of like, they are looking at a translucent, multifaceted mirror where every possibility is visible to them throughout all of existance?

Considering the comments made that Aeternam exists outside of time and that we might turn inside out if we tried to meet her, I certainly favor the latter option (though with the addition of being able to reach through the mirror and into and across the various possibilities depicted in section pushed through).

That being said, the only absolutely cannon answer to your debate so far is: 'Yes.'

13-Mar-2017 18:35:10 - Last edited on 13-Mar-2017 19:32:02 by Hguoh

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Sepulchre

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I'm going to say we are the ones who told Guthix he would die.

Because it supports my theory that we made us the next World Guardian.

(Also, the fact that Jagex retconned in us not being the first World Guardian is trash. Who approved this?) A

World Guardian

must learn to find

Balance

in themselves.
Only then can they

Control

themselves and forge their own

Fate .

04-Apr-2017 16:15:15

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AesirWarrior

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Sepulchre said :
I'm going to say we are the ones who told Guthix he would die.

Because it supports my theory that we made us the next World Guardian.

(Also, the fact that Jagex retconned in us not being the first World Guardian is trash. Who approved this?)

Honestly I prefer it. There's been too much nonsense recently about how much of a special snowflake we are ("you're special laddie" ), which is incredibly tiring because it's the same in literally every other game. It's cliché. This makes the World Guardian title have more meaning IMO, because there's actual history behind it instead of something Guthix just pulled out of nowhere the moment he died. -

I have noticed your kind does tend to blindly stumble forward towards danger simply because it exists. What is your word for that?

- We call it being a hero.

02-Jun-2017 11:39:04 - Last edited on 02-Jun-2017 11:39:30 by AesirWarrior

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2023

Saviour X7

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I thought to wade in a little on this discussion from my own perspective.

In reading aforementioned posts above the consensus is Guthix knew of his coming for we told him so, and that any uncertainty arises from whether Guthix would be frank about his internal demons. I leave this issue alone, I believe Guthix whilst a God was a pragmatist seeking balance, so even if he felt internal remorse over his actions the echos let us know Guthix was the mortal in his mind set, just blessed with divine right. All gods aside from the Elders seem to be humanist like that. So being of two minds it's possible a small part of Guthix, the part that fills the echos rages at indecision, loss and his own death all while his other ego the God form embodies his will so portrays balance and acceptance. Try to see it as Guthix himself being the embodiment of a balance between his egos (Freud ids).

Any who, what I felt needed ex planing was how he believed he could have an afterlife. For this one requires a leap of faith and some sleuth work. Consider these factors:
1) Guthix knew of his death
2) Guthix seemingly unreasonable belief he will have an afterlife.
3) The Zaros mini quest about how Zaros lost his powers and zamorak rose.
4) The role of Sliske and the world guardian
5) The echos and divine energy.
6) Deaths words that a God loses the afterlife.
7) Bands death and Zanik.

Plenty to dwell on. Nows let's put these pieces together. So if you were Guthix and you learned you would die you would first act to secure the future you wanted. Once you got over accepting it. At this point Guthix just needs any old champion, preferably someone who has served a few gods and is balanced in mindset. Your role in While Guthix sleeps and anything related to the divinity qualified you there to be champion. So legacy secure, except Guthix doesn't want to make you a new God, I mean he throw out the balance as it was, perhaps having competing faiths is balance. Can't know Guthix mind. Truth is as abstract as lies, the 'facts' what is perceived, but can you trust the eyes, the ears, is that madness? Is that what lies at the end of reason. Our true epiphany?

28-Jun-2017 21:37:36

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Saviour X7

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Guthix knowing he will die and setting up hurdles to find a successor, now needs some sort of safe transition and then here comes the staff of armalady, acording to the stories it siphoned energy to a new host. Consider Zaros and Zamorak, Zammy literally took Zaros powers and rendered him in a state of being comparable to what Zaros might have been without God powers - just a shadow (as he was the embodiment of shadow that mah gave power).

So say I was a mortal before ascention, and I knew of a tool that only drained my divine energy, is it much of a stretch to see this rod as a staff of ascention/decention able to render a God mortal? Perhaps since gods kill each other so often it's hard to know what happens to what's left, I mean Zaros proved being siphoned is not really deadly he lived on in spirit.

As for Guthix, he thinks he can go mortal, but what if given Guthix has touched a fair few elder artefacts he has more divine energy then he has a right to? The staff might have transferred the divine energy of one God out of Guthix, merely weakening him. So next he puts something into the player a divine aspect of him - this once more brings him closer to mortal, but he still has power so the remainder he returns to the ani mundi creating an excess of surplus energy. With all this done Guthix is finally left with just a mortal shell at which point he can pass on.

Another thing to consider is when Nomad makes his new God it is identical to Guthix, if Guthix had no afterlife surely his energy through mortal souls should never have made the construct.

Something to stew on here, Bandos after his death like Zaros went into spirit form, his divine energy tried to rebuild him in Zanik. Depending on the players actions your mind has been touched by Guthix and Zaros, it is entirely plausible you house Guthix divinity and that somewhere a small Guthix was made, but given how old Guthix would have been there's a question of on turning mortal would he rapidly age? Truth is as abstract as lies, the 'facts' what is perceived, but can you trust the eyes, the ears, is that madness? Is that what lies at the end of reason. Our true epiphany?

28-Jun-2017 21:56:28 - Last edited on 28-Jun-2017 22:01:05 by Saviour X7

R_Giskard

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I see all these complex theories, but I think the truth is much simpler: he just didn't know that gods don't get an afterlife. After all, who would have been able to tell him? Only a born god could have that sort of knowledge, and to mine he and Seren never discussed the issue. Zaros, of course, was never around at the right time to tell him.

05-Jul-2017 04:27:15

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Uncle Harper

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I am under the impression that its all about how you look at it whether Guthix sees Agai again ot not. A large portion of Guthix is now within the world guardian. Another large part of Guthix currently roams the eastern lands in a self aware form of a menory of Agai
Weve met Agai and assisted her. Maybe thats how he sees her again. I have seen the dark universe yawning, where the black planets roll without aim;
Where they roll in their horror unheeded, without knowledge or lustre or name.

15-Jul-2017 03:23:04

Hguoh

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Saviour X7 said :
Consider Zaros and Zamorak, Zammy literally took Zaros powers and rendered him in a state of being comparable to what Zaros might have been without God powers - just a shadow (as he was the embodiment of shadow that mah gave power).

Not quite. Zaros never dipped out of the god tiers. This is demonstrated in part by him having traveled from one end of the universe (Gielinor) to the other (Freneskae) while in that state. It should also be evident that not all of Zaros's divine power was transferred to Zamorak as Zammy only reached t4 god power when Zaros had been t2.

Saviour X7 said :
So say I was a mortal before ascention, and I knew of a tool that only drained my divine energy, is it much of a stretch to see this rod as a staff of ascention/decention able to render a God mortal? Perhaps since gods kill each other so often it's hard to know what happens to what's left, I mean Zaros proved being siphoned is not really deadly he lived on in spirit.

Yes, it is a stretch. Zaros did not become a spirit, nor did he become mortal. Zaros was drained until he abandoned his body and fled the plane, which Guthix did not do. Beyond that, it's fairly likely that Guthix knew what happens to a god when they die. Death certainly was aware (Book of the Underworld), gods almost certainly died during the Gielinorian God Wars, and there's no reason for Death to hide this from Guthix. So yes, Guthix should have known this by the time he died.

15-Jul-2017 17:41:44

Hguoh

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Saviour X7 said :
Another thing to consider is when Nomad makes his new God it is identical to Guthix, if Guthix had no afterlife surely his energy through mortal souls should never have made the construct.

Nomad could have designed it as a mockery or in honor of Guthix or to rope in what Order of Ascension folks he could. The order of Ascension might have had a part in designing it (they do love making big old effigies of Guthix.

Saviour X7 said :
Something to stew on here, Bandos after his death like Zaros went into spirit form, his divine energy tried to rebuild him in Zanik. Depending on the players actions your mind has been touched by Guthix and Zaros, it is entirely plausible you house Guthix divinity and that somewhere a small Guthix was made, but given how old Guthix would have been there's a question of on turning mortal would he rapidly age?

Bandos didn't go into spirit form. Bandos infused Zanik with a small chunk of his being. Upon Bandos' death, this fragment also began to die. It tried to save itself by tearing away at Zanik's being. This left Zanik approaching death as the magic that had sustained her since her first death faded away and tore her apart.

As for the rapid aging bit, none of the gods appeared to age rapidly when their divinity was suppressed in the maze during Sliske's Endgame and they were rendered mortal. So that's the least of your concerns.

15-Jul-2017 18:10:55

Hguoh

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R_Giskard said :
I see all these complex theories, but I think the truth is much simpler: he just didn't know that gods don't get an afterlife. After all, who would have been able to tell him? Only a born god could have that sort of knowledge, and to mine he and Seren never discussed the issue. Zaros, of course, was never around at the right time to tell him.

Or, you know, Death could have that knowledge. We know at least on god died on Gielinor (Loarnab), so Death would know what happens to gods' souls, and he has no reason not to tell Guthix this information.

15-Jul-2017 18:13:26

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