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Hexie Kazumi
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The Mather1 said :
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Hexie Kazumi said :
Because nothing suggests him as a tyrant and despot.


Well... there's Viggora.

And Perjour.

And Senliten.

Zamorak, too.

Those are just a few historical figures that have actually been named. Let's not discount the throngs of demons and vampyres that turned against him as well.

Viggora has been confirmed by mods to have been blinded by his preconception of things. His only problem with Zaros was that humans supposedly weren't allowed power in Forinthry, while both lore and word of mods have confirmed that humans actually held most of the powerful positions.

Perjour was just guessing. Remember that he was afraid of angering Zaros with treacherous thoughts. Zaros isn't capable of anger and didn't know what treachery is.

Senliten was Zaros' enemy during the Zarosian-Kharidian war, of course she would think badly of him, having only ever seen his armies.


It seems that most Zaros hate comes from people who either don't understand the lore fully, or they are stubborn and don't want to accept that Zaros is apparently one of the better gods.

25-Mar-2015 21:16:37

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Nuada said :
Seren is going to return. Zaros sees that an insane Seren is detrimental to his plans, therefore decides to aid her return.

EDIT (FOT* Spoilers.)

We will probably be be able to use a light simulacrum to restore Seren's body.


If the player character gets involved, I'll put a dark simulacrum in her just to spite her. I hate Seren, I can't wait for Jagex to kill her off.
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26-Mar-2015 01:47:02

Hexie Kazumi
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SwedishPagns said :
Nuada said :
Seren is going to return. Zaros sees that an insane Seren is detrimental to his plans, therefore decides to aid her return.

EDIT (FOT* Spoilers.)

We will probably be be able to use a light simulacrum to restore Seren's body.


If the player character gets involved, I'll put a dark simulacrum in her just to spite her. I hate Seren, I can't wait for Jagex to kill her off.


Zaros probably wouldn't want Seren to die. And you follow Zaros, don't you?

Why do you hate Zaros' sister?

26-Mar-2015 02:39:35

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The Mather1 said :
Viggora has been confirmed by mods to have been blinded by his preconception of things. His only problem with Zaros was that humans supposedly weren't allowed power in Forinthry, while both lore and word of mods have confirmed that humans actually held most of the powerful positions.

Perjour was just guessing. Remember that he was afraid of angering Zaros with treacherous thoughts. Zaros isn't capable of anger and didn't know what treachery is.

Senliten was Zaros' enemy during the Zarosian-Kharidian war, of course she would think badly of him, having only ever seen his armies.


Viggora - Viggora, for all his poor decisions, was no idiot. This "preconception" led him to participate in the single most devastating coup in Gielinor's history. It becomes difficult for me to believe that his convictions were misplaced, given his position within the empire.

Perjour - Aren't you overlooking his enchanted journal? The one that, lest we forget, Zaros required him to carry?

Senliten - I don't entirely understand your rationale here. Are you suggesting that the opinion of a god's enemy be written off simply because he or she lacks an insider's perspective? You do understand, I hope, that that would invalidate half the lore among the factions?

And, while we're at it, let's not fail to mention Senntisten's secret police force, headed by none other than Sliske himself. Surely a free and just nation would have no need of such an insidious necromaniac to maintain order, right?
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26-Mar-2015 03:42:16

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I wish Zamorak could really bring Viggora back to life so I could have his head on a spike...wait...you know what? beheading's too merciful for a traitor like him. Let's go with crucifixion instead.

Hexie Kazumi said :
SwedishPagns said :
Nuada said :
Seren is going to return. Zaros sees that an insane Seren is detrimental to his plans, therefore decides to aid her return.

EDIT (FOT* Spoilers.)

We will probably be be able to use a light simulacrum to restore Seren's body.


If the player character gets involved, I'll put a dark simulacrum in her just to spite her. I hate Seren, I can't wait for Jagex to kill her off.


Zaros probably wouldn't want Seren to die. And you follow Zaros, don't you?

Why do you hate Zaros' sister?


Because of all the crazy **** she said when you use a Zaros shard on her. She blamed him for leaving Mah behind, because gods forbid a child exercises their right to leave an abusive parent right? And then she accused Zaros of giving the dragon riders a false promise. No, you stupid *****, he did not do that, he had every intention to fulfill his promise to them except he could only do that if he becomes an Elder God. When he does, he'll fix their problem.

She was just an annoying *****, you'd do anything to shut her up. That's why I hate her.
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26-Mar-2015 03:49:43 - Last edited on 26-Mar-2015 03:56:59 by SwedishPagns

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SwedishPagns said :
I wish Zamorak could really bring Viggora back to life so I could have his head on a spike...wait...you know what? beheading's too merciful for a traitor like him. Let's go with crucifixion instead.

Hexie Kazumi said :
SwedishPagns said :
Nuada said :
Seren is going to return. Zaros sees that an insane Seren is detrimental to his plans, therefore decides to aid her return.

EDIT (FOT* Spoilers.)

We will probably be be able to use a light simulacrum to restore Seren's body.


If the player character gets involved, I'll put a dark simulacrum in her just to spite her. I hate Seren, I can't wait for Jagex to kill her off.


Zaros probably wouldn't want Seren to die. And you follow Zaros, don't you?

Why do you hate Zaros' sister?


Because of all the crazy **** she said when you use a Zaros shard on her. She blamed him for leaving Mah behind, because gods forbid a child exercises their right to leave an abusive parent right? And then she accused Zaros of giving the dragon riders a false promise. No, you stupid *****, he did not do that, he had every intention to fulfill his promise to them except he could only do that if he becomes an Elder God. When he does, he'll fix their problem.

She was just an annoying *****, you'd do anything to shut her up. That's why I hate her.


It's almost endearing, at this point.

Almost.
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26-Mar-2015 04:37:22

Hexie Kazumi
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"Viggora, for all his poor decisions, was no idiot. This "preconception" led him to participate in the single most devastating coup in Gielinor's history. It becomes difficult for me to believe that his convictions were misplaced, given his position within the empire. "

Perhaps. But we do know that the belief that humans had no power is also BS. So, whatever Viggora's reason, it wasn't 100% noble, it would seem.


"Perjour - Aren't you overlooking his enchanted journal? The one that, lest we forget, Zaros required him to carry?"

I forget the contents of Perjour's journal, but is it a stretch to use Jagex's love of puns here as evidence? Zaros suspected him of treachery, and his name is "Perjour." Perjury is the act of lying under oath, and someone who commits perjury is a perjur. So, given context, isn't it possible that he /was/ a treacherous *******?

"I don't entirely understand your rationale here. Are you suggesting that the opinion of a god's enemy be written off simply because he or she lacks an insider's perspective? You do understand, I hope, that that would invalidate half the lore among the factions"

It doesn't write it off completely, but one should take the statements of an opposing party with a grain of salt. In campaigns, I always question anything the parties say about the other party. It is not an auto dismissal, but given that there is mounds of evidence in favor of Zaros, versus the opinion of a few extremists, and one good ruler, It is worth questioning.

And, while we're at it, let's not fail to mention Senntisten's secret police force, headed by none other than Sliske himself. Surely a free and just nation would have no need of such an insidious necromaniac to maintain order, right?"

Zaros admits that he should have paid more attention to what was going on /within/ his empire. He would not have allowed Sliske's continued activity if he knew its full extent.

Finally, are there any lore hounds who aren't extremists for or against Zaros?pls?

26-Mar-2015 05:18:47

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@Smith,

RuneScape's lore allows every player to derive their own conclusions from the histories of each of the gods. You will see Zaros as a necessary savior, where I will see him as an evil tyrant.

Similarly, you might view Saradomin as a psychopathic, wing-ripping, defying World Guardian frying monster. I happen to see him as a noble guardian.

Needless to say, we will never see eye-to-eye where the gods are concerned. But it refreshes me that you are able to debate so honorably and with some degree of objectivity; it's been a pleasure xD
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26-Mar-2015 06:14:36 - Last edited on 26-Mar-2015 06:16:23 by Last Prophet

Hexie Kazumi
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Last Prophet said :
@Smith,

RuneScape's lore allows every player to derive their own conclusions from the histories of each of the gods. You will see Zaros as a necessary savior, where I will see him as an evil tyrant.

Similarly, you might view Saradomin as a psychopathic, wing-ripping, defying World Guardian frying monster. I happen to see him as a noble guardian.

Needless to say, we will never see eye-to-eye where the gods are concerned. But it refreshes me that you are able to debate so honorably and with some degree of objectivity; it's been a pleasure xD


Thanks for being respectful unlike some other people I've discussed Zaros with. But it doesn't slip my mind that Saradomin would commit genocide of other races without acknowledging that no group is completely homogeneous. There are good demons, but I haven't a doubt that Saradomin would slay them all, for example.

Saradomin is a noble guardian to only people he deems worthy of existing. To everyone else, he will either not give a **** about them, or try to kill them. Zaros cares about most mortals (or at least more mortals than Saradomin does) and is incredibly open-minded, and undoubtedly wise

Although I am not dismissing his flaws. In the past Zaros was controlling, whether he meant to be or not. He may have learned that control isn't the way, but he is flawed like anyone else, and I would not rule out possible relapses or slips.

But in terms of my personal philsophy, someone as close-minded and intolerant as Saradomin is a cancer. Not that he is malicious, but that being selective based on race, and intolerant of anyone who disagrees with him makes him, at best, an ignorant fool, and at worst, a domineering tyrant who knows what he is doing. Neither is preferable in a leader.

Anyways, I just wanted to state that I am not too /extremely/ against Saradomin. Go for it if you want. I could be wrong. Maybe he might /not/ commit genocide against "barbaric" races.

26-Mar-2015 08:56:45 - Last edited on 26-Mar-2015 08:58:03 by Hexie Kazumi

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Last Prophet said :

Viggora - Viggora, for all his poor decisions, was no idiot. This "preconception" led him to participate in the single most devastating coup in Gielinor's history. It becomes difficult for me to believe that his convictions were misplaced, given his position within the empire.

Perjour - Aren't you overlooking his enchanted journal? The one that, lest we forget, Zaros required him to carry?

Senliten - I don't entirely understand your rationale here. Are you suggesting that the opinion of a god's enemy be written off simply because he or she lacks an insider's perspective? You do understand, I hope, that that would invalidate half the lore among the factions?

And, while we're at it, let's not fail to mention Senntisten's secret police force, headed by none other than Sliske himself. Surely a free and just nation would have no need of such an insidious necromaniac to maintain order, right?

Regardless of Viggora's achievements, he is confirmed to have been blinded so much by his belief that humans weren't valued that he failed to see that they were. This isn't just an assumption, both mods and lore confirm that Viggora was misinformed.

Perjour's journal was carried because Zaros wanted to see what happened. If you've ever paid attention to Zaros, you'll know he's a curious god. Zaros isn't capable of what Perjour feared, so Perjour was definitely wrong about the purpose of the book.

And yes, you should disregard any accusations made by any faction towards towards their enemy. Because of bias, they cannot be trusted.

As for the Praefectus Praetorio, Zaros knew nothing of his misdeed, he just told the guy who was good at sneaking around and collecting information to do so for Forinthry.
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26-Mar-2015 14:29:02

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