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Meron Lod

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More evidence for Zaros' hostility:

But even the best laid plans may go awry. Whatever my goddess's intentions, they were set aside when a great emptiness fell upon this world. It spread like a blight across the land - led by one who cared not to live in harmony with the world as we did, but sought to control all and bend it to its will. We even lost the World Gate to its insatiable hunger, and could travel no more to our crystal world of old .

Seren bid our envoys and scouts back to the forests, though many were lost to the emptiness as it encroached on our eastern borders. Others chose not to heed Seren's words and - instead - chose to fight back. But Seren herself had promised the green god to not involve herself with the wider world; instead to stay within the great forest that was our home. Some of the elf clans were not content to sit at home while their friends and families were dying in the east. Though we all loved the forest and our crystal goddess, our society was split.

Also remember that this is from a biased perspective. And elf would not be a neutral observer in a case like this.

28-Mar-2014 08:01:46

Hexie Kazumi
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I like to think of Seren and Zaros as Yin and Yang. i pray that jagex allows an option where we can have both of them stay in Gielinor, and then they can keep Balance truer than Guthix ever could.

The way Zaros describes his companion (who we know to be Seren) and his relationship, is exactly how Yin and Yang interact. The constantly pull on each other, separate, but the same. Unique, but one. Two halves of a whole. And considering that both Zaros and Seren have a link to the anima, my philosophy is speaking more loudly than Guthixian dogmas.

Guthix's view of Balance is not truly balance. And the way I see it, if we pull Seren and Zaros back together, Yin and Yang will work as one, and bring balance back to the world.

To be honest, I feel terrible about even considering betraying my promise to Guthix. But Zaros seems impeccably and truly wise, and if Zaros is brought back, Seren must also be necessarily restored to balance out the God of Dark. For whatever Zaros' intentions are, by nature, his kingdom will not be Balanced. The only way Zaros can possibly help bring Balance, is if and ONLY if we bring Seren back too.

Anyways, I really hope JaGex doesn't waste the potential of this. The Seren/Zaros relationship is the truest expression of Balance I've seen in RuneScape. I want two things here- the opportunity to bring these two together, and the ability to do so while not alienating Guthixians. I want to be able to convince the Guthixians that Guthix did not truly understand Balance- which he didn't.

23-Mar-2015 07:32:54

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Hexie Kazumi said :
I like to think of Seren and Zaros as Yin and Yang. i pray that jagex allows an option where we can have both of them stay in Gielinor, and then they can keep Balance truer than Guthix ever could.

The way Zaros describes his companion (who we know to be Seren) and his relationship, is exactly how Yin and Yang interact. The constantly pull on each other, separate, but the same. Unique, but one. Two halves of a whole. And considering that both Zaros and Seren have a link to the anima, my philosophy is speaking more loudly than Guthixian dogmas.

Guthix's view of Balance is not truly balance. And the way I see it, if we pull Seren and Zaros back together, Yin and Yang will work as one, and bring balance back to the world.

To be honest, I feel terrible about even considering betraying my promise to Guthix. But Zaros seems impeccably and truly wise, and if Zaros is brought back, Seren must also be necessarily restored to balance out the God of Dark. For whatever Zaros' intentions are, by nature, his kingdom will not be Balanced. The only way Zaros can possibly help bring Balance, is if and ONLY if we bring Seren back too.

Anyways, I really hope JaGex doesn't waste the potential of this. The Seren/Zaros relationship is the truest expression of Balance I've seen in RuneScape. I want two things here- the opportunity to bring these two together, and the ability to do so while not alienating Guthixians. I want to be able to convince the Guthixians that Guthix did not truly understand Balance- which he didn't.

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23-Mar-2015 07:40:45

Baxtorian
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CD_Paladin_C said :
zaros, an elder god, and seren are connected somehow, we gotta reassemble seren to find out how.

I think You missed the part where Zaros is to elder gods as gods are to mortals.

@OP, why do You find Seren so useful to Zaros?

I find that the only reason he would aid her. He would consider her weak and destroy her.

23-Mar-2015 18:40:42

Hexie Kazumi
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Baxtorian said :
CD_Paladin_C said :
zaros, an elder god, and seren are connected somehow, we gotta reassemble seren to find out how.

I think You missed the part where Zaros is to elder gods as gods are to mortals.

@OP, why do You find Seren so useful to Zaros?

I find that the only reason he would aid her. He would consider her weak and destroy her.

Have you done Fate of the Gods and Zaros' memories bro? And did you go through all the dialogue? Because nothing suggests him as a tyrant and despot. The only ones who claim Zaros is evil and controlling, are themselves evil and controlling. Frankly, I would believe a mysterious being of dark crystal over the Young Gods any day of the week.

23-Mar-2015 20:39:12

Last Prophet

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Hexie Kazumi said :
Because nothing suggests him as a tyrant and despot.

Well... there's Viggora.

And Perjour.

And Senliten.

Zamorak, too.

Those are just a few historical figures that have actually been named. Let's not discount the throngs of demons and vampyres that turned against him as well.
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24-Mar-2015 02:54:29

Hexie Kazumi
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Last Prophet said :
Hexie Kazumi said :
Because nothing suggests him as a tyrant and despot.

Well... there's Viggora.

And Perjour.

And Senliten.

Zamorak, too.

Those are just a few historical figures that have actually been named. Let's not discount the throngs of demons and vampyres that turned against him as well.

Zamorak rebelled because he didn't think Zaros was doing it right. Not because he felt oppressed. Viggora is a loyal and devout Zamorakian, and sided with Zam.

I don't remember the story of Senliten, but I /do/ remember that Zaros had plenty of loyal demons, even after his fall. Heck, you see some Zarosian demons in Demon Flash Mobs. The demons were split. they did not wholly rebel. Vampyres sided with Zam, not because of oppression, but because their instinctual nature fits better into Zam's world than Zaros'.

Also, for all we know, the Vyre may even be split as well. Some are content to harvesting and devouring humans, but some wish to find more sustainable means. Zamorak and Zaros both represent progress in different ways. Who knows which side is more focused on Haem***hemy?

24-Mar-2015 03:13:49

The Mather1
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Last Prophet said :
Hexie Kazumi said :
Because nothing suggests him as a tyrant and despot.

Well... there's Viggora.

And Perjour.

And Senliten.

Zamorak, too.

Those are just a few historical figures that have actually been named. Let's not discount the throngs of demons and vampyres that turned against him as well.
Viggora has been confirmed by mods to have been blinded by his preconception of things. His only problem with Zaros was that humans supposedly weren't allowed power in Forinthry, while both lore and word of mods have confirmed that humans actually held most of the powerful positions.

Perjour was just guessing. Remember that he was afraid of angering Zaros with treacherous thoughts. Zaros isn't capable of anger and didn't know what treachery is.

Senliten was Zaros' enemy during the Zarosian-Kharidian war, of course she would think badly of him, having only ever seen his armies.
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25-Mar-2015 20:50:28

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