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Blizzardy
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Vedolas said :
Do you consider all quests released after TWW to be 6th-age, or do you mean only ones that have explicitly 6th-age references?

Either way, it's not a rule I'd like to commit to for the sake of simplicity, but it is the general acceptance unless something arises to give worth to the idea that it might fit better elsewhere, on a quest-by-quest basis of course.


I consider anything connected to the 3 pillars to be firmly 6th age, anything with any reference to 6th age events the same.

It seems like a good mindset for the Developers themselves to have, allowing them to avoid the confusion which followed The World Wakes.

07-Feb-2015 15:21:15

Vedolas

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The point of view of the developers I expect would aim to make all 6th age quests, save for those that directly sequel others in a series, non-linear (with the exception of course, that tww/all 5th age quests take place before it, regardless of if those are actually hard reqs or not for it). That's how the 5th age quests were handled.

What I mean is that the concept of a 'chronological order of quests' (aside from hard reqs, and 5th age/6th age continuation soft reqs) would, on principle, be against their intentions and their ideals - whenever the question has come up in the past, the answer is something always along the lines of "we don't want the player to feel they have to do quests in a certain order, other than the pre-requisites, the only order of quests is what the players in particular feel they want to do first before others". That isn't a direct quote, just something from memory over the years.

Anyway, why that relates to this is because that ideal could be extended to 6th age quests (between only other 6th age quests) - the events are left pretty ambiguous in their relation to the order they happened in the world compared to other events. The most we get are sometimes things like that DoC reference in MPD, or the One of a Kind reference in a potential first-playthrough of Fot*. These are the types of things that help us figure out where each 6th age quest could be best suited in a timeline, among others.

Normally, or atleast so far, anyway, no 6th age quest has been retroactively updated to reference another 6th age quest, directly or in-directly, that was released after it's own, likewise no 6th age quest has given the in-direct vibe that a particular 6th age quest that was already released, hasn't happened yet - usually for scene-setting, importance on specific aspects that would seem not-as-important if something else already happened (think HoS prior to the Fot* dialogue addition) but the practice exists for 5th age quests.

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07-Feb-2015 18:48:18

Vedolas

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Say if for example, some dialogue with Zaros were ever updated to include a reference of The Mighty Fall when you ask him about Bandos, as that dialogue could be obtained during a first playthrough of the quest, that would, to me, suggest that in a chronological timeline, The Mighty Fall took place before Fate of the Gods, even though Fate of the Gods was released after the Mighty Fall.

A more complicated example, but on the same principle, would be if dialogue were updated with Zaros to mention the events of Plague's End if you ask him about Seren. While there are no direct Fot*-references in the initial playthrough of Plague's End, there are some revelations that post-quest access allows to, which are better comprehended if tempered from information from Fate of the Gods. However, a priority in this chronological timeline-deduction-thing is that Quest References are of a higher priority than Player Knowledge, so with that in mind I would also place Plague's End before Fate of the Gods for that reason, and if I were to do that, I would place Plague's End very early in the 6th age, as it would better explain the appearance of the Seren emissary as part of the elven-human relations improvement attempt as explained in the end of Plague's End, rather than in the unexplained presence it had before.

Those are just a couple examples that would show a cause for reason that a 6th age quest could take place before another regardless of release dates, Hos, prior to the dialogue addition, was a potential other depending on how you look at it.


Anyway, I realize the much easier route would be to accept them as a release date order, I also realize that this whole process is the very definition of over-complicating things. Lastly, I also am fully aware that the very concept of this project is a direct contradiction to Jagex's own intentions - as I explained in my previous post.

If I had ever gave reason to imply otherwise on any of the above things though, please tell me. :P

07-Feb-2015 18:48:32

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Mcgruffin said :
Doesn't Death of Chivalry technically take place during Battle of Lumbridge?


Aye, as Mighty says, the references throughout the quest are past-tense now, and some lines replaced completely.
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31-May-2015 03:00:02

Eridyn
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Bump, and profiled. In today's Dev Q&A on Twitch Osborne stated he really wanted to do a linear timeline, so the more we push this the more we can see it become a reality.
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