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Prime Axiom

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Remember, Zaros originally intended for Azzanandra and Zamorak to inherit his entire kingdom. From the "Deus Ex Memoriam Crystal":

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Upon my return to Gielinor, I searched for Mah's elder sisters, hoping to convince them to aid in my transcendence. Instead I discovered a horrifying truth about this world. I know now what its true purpose is. It is not for mortals. It is not for me. And only the powerful have a hope of surviving. My path is clear. Though I cannot create life, I can forge it into stronger forms. Perhaps one such form will be our deliverance. My empire has taught me that pushing mortals meets with resistance, so I must learn to pull them instead: to lead them from the shadows. I must become the guiding voice within their heads - their drive, their urgency, their passion and their betterment. I shall become the mortals' will to power. There is little time, and this will take all my efforts. I shall return one last time to inform the cardinals - Azzanadra and Zamorak shall inherit all.

Ironically, had Zamorak not chosen to betray Zaros at the time he did, Zaros was planning to hand over the throne to the Mahjarrat on his own accord. I don't believe Zaros wants to kill Zamorak. It would have been far easier to just kill Zamorak, and have Azzanandra ascend to godhood. It's not like the loyal of the Zamorakian mahjarrat was absolutely essential. If he could subdue Zamorak, none of the others are a true threat.

23-Nov-2016 16:23:09 - Last edited on 23-Nov-2016 16:24:45 by Prime Axiom

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Derack

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Prime Axiom said :
Remember, Zaros originally intended for Azzanandra and Zamorak to inherit his entire kingdom. From the "Deus Ex Memoriam Crystal":

Original message details are unavailable.

Upon my return to Gielinor, I searched for Mah's elder sisters, hoping to convince them to aid in my transcendence. Instead I discovered a horrifying truth about this world. I know now what its true purpose is. It is not for mortals. It is not for me. And only the powerful have a hope of surviving. My path is clear. Though I cannot create life, I can forge it into stronger forms. Perhaps one such form will be our deliverance. My empire has taught me that pushing mortals meets with resistance, so I must learn to pull them instead: to lead them from the shadows. I must become the guiding voice within their heads - their drive, their urgency, their passion and their betterment. I shall become the mortals' will to power. There is little time, and this will take all my efforts. I shall return one last time to inform the cardinals - Azzanadra and Zamorak shall inherit all.

Ironically, had Zamorak not chosen to betray Zaros at the time he did, Zaros was planning to hand over the throne to the Mahjarrat on his own accord. I don't believe Zaros wants to kill Zamorak. It would have been far easier to just kill Zamorak, and have Azzanandra ascend to godhood. It's not like the loyal of the Zamorakian mahjarrat was absolutely essential. If he could subdue Zamorak, none of the others are a true threat.

Speaking about that.
During the cutscene, were Zamorak demanded Zaros to relinquish the empire to him.

Wouldn't it be smart and better to just explain it, and give Zammy a wristslap for trying to betray him? You would think, for a god that acts on logic and is wise.. would have tried to negotiate first instead of just "kill him".

"If you believe you can distance yourself from the harm you cause, you're deluding yourself. You're not some mindless tool. You're accountable. Your actions will catch up with you eventually." -Jedi Master Jun Seros; Swtor Bounty Hunter storyline.

23-Nov-2016 21:14:47

Zulkir

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Zamorak would not of listened to a word Zaros would of said, even though it was the truth that yes ironically he'd of gotten exactly what he wanted, he amassed an entire rebellion, there's no slap on the wrist for that.

That's execution for the highest treason. It's Zamoraks own fault for his impatience and anger, hopefully after acting out a second time and being brought down to kneel, we can finally see a Zamorak that thinks before he strikes.

I'm certainly open to talking with him now I know Zaros has him by the stupid facial deformities he calls horns.

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23-Nov-2016 21:28:28

Hazeel

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Zamorak even said he just wanted Zaros to leave Gielinor and he wouldn't kill him...which is what he was planning on doing anyway.

So why didn't he do it? Because it would be on Zamorak's terms, not his. Zaros is way too proud to just calmly say "Oh that's fine, that's what I wanted to do anyway" or pretend that he was legitmately intimidated and tell Azzanadra to just "work with Zamorak for the betterment of their race and the empire". No, Zaros would only leave on his own terms. Not to mention Zamorak betrayed him. It doesn't matter if the end result would be the same, Zaros demands control over everything. His followers aren't allowed to have their own goals unless he says so. They live for him and nothing else. Runescape doesn't need a hero...it needs a villain. An all encompassing force of evil that will remain ever-threatening and use chaos to make the peoples of Gielinor tolerate each other, grow strong together, and fight side by side against this evil. I am that villain.

23-Nov-2016 22:22:40

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Derack

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Zulkir said :

That's execution for the highest treason. It's Zamoraks own fault for his impatience and anger, hopefully after acting out a second time and being brought down to kneel, we can finally see a Zamorak that thinks before he strikes.

In Zamorak's defence; You work, conquer, fight, slay and maim for a god that keeps secrets, doesn't care much about his people or your own kind, promises things and doesn't live up to them without much explaining, and seeing how he doesn't show much care for the empire much, and is mostly absence.

I'll be pretty pissed off too.

I supposes it's one of Zamorak's main flaws, no patience and always angry. But then again his anger is justified.

"If you believe you can distance yourself from the harm you cause, you're deluding yourself. You're not some mindless tool. You're accountable. Your actions will catch up with you eventually." -Jedi Master Jun Seros; Swtor Bounty Hunter storyline.

23-Nov-2016 23:29:58

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Lord Pyro I

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Zaros may have claimed he intended to let them inherit the empire but in truth they would always feel Zaros watching over their shoulder changing any action he disapproved of. "The greatest endeavors are achieved because of their selfless intent"

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23-Nov-2016 23:42:59

Hazeel

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Lord Pyro I said :
Zaros may have claimed he intended to let them inherit the empire but in truth they would always feel Zaros watching over their shoulder changing any action he disapproved of.

He never claimed this. He never said it. He just planned to leave Gielinor for his own reasons and decided to come back one last time--incidently during the betrayal--to leave the Empire to Zamorak and Azzanadra while he was gone. Runescape doesn't need a hero...it needs a villain. An all encompassing force of evil that will remain ever-threatening and use chaos to make the peoples of Gielinor tolerate each other, grow strong together, and fight side by side against this evil. I am that villain.

23-Nov-2016 23:54:05

A Mighty

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^And what would have happened if he returned? I don't think Zamorak would have given up control of the Empire...

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24-Nov-2016 00:22:16

Hazeel

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A Mighty said :
^And what would have happened if he returned? I don't think Zamorak would have given up control of the Empire...

He didn't give a rat's ass about the empire at that point. Zamorak could have burned it to the ground for all he cared. His goal was to be an Elder God and disapear from view....you can't do that as the public leader of an empire. Runescape doesn't need a hero...it needs a villain. An all encompassing force of evil that will remain ever-threatening and use chaos to make the peoples of Gielinor tolerate each other, grow strong together, and fight side by side against this evil. I am that villain.

24-Nov-2016 03:51:55

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Shifu

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I wonder if there's any chance of Zaros giving up the "blank cheque" as a gesture of goodwill towards Zamorak, and trying to encourage a bond between them. It would mean that the Mahjarrat would all be aligned, for the first time in centuries. Zaros at the top, with Zamorak as one of his commanders or something similar.
If Zaros can't just give it up, he could ask for something mundane, like hand me 1gp.

I doubt it would happen, but would be an interesting twist from the contract we're expecting.

Also, just as a curiosity point, is there any sort of time restriction for Zamorak to hold his end of the bargain? If Zaros were to say something like "Fetch me Saradomin's head on a stick", how long does Zamorak have? Could he effectively live forever (or until something else killed him) because it's something which he could always do (unless Saradomin's head is erased from creation). If you only do what you can do, you will never be more than you are now.

26-Nov-2016 00:49:17

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