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Cthris said :
Yeah but you said whomever goes against the contract is killed. Fulfilling the contract is not uniquvical to not going against the contract

Like I said, you can cause the contract to fail thus going against the contract but still fufill your side of the bargain. Devils in the details mate.
I don't think Jagex is going to be that specific. I got the impression that Zaros is done and now it's Zimzams turn to do his part.
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21-Nov-2016 23:23:19

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I initially expected Zaros to make some sort of lifetime contract. "I will serve faithfully for the rest of my life" sort of thing. Suppose though, Zamorak isn't likely to willingly do this forever, and would purposely break it, so that death frees him from his contract. That, and it would annoy the Zamorakians amongst us.

I think Zaros will have to use it as a "One off" ticket. I can't see Zaros giving him a contract which has potentially fatal outcomes for Zamorak. To send him on a suicide mission, or making him the fall guy, is making him a martyr, which is something Zaros specifically didn't want to do.

It's probably going to be a "Cause a distraction so I can do something" sort of contract. It has to be something in which Zamorak is likely to survive, but it will release him from the bond he has with Zaros. Anything else, whilst it could be bad for Zamorak himself, could still bolster support from his followers. If you only do what you can do, you will never be more than you are now.

22-Nov-2016 00:27:24

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Cthris said :
Yeah but you said whomever goes against the contract is killed. Fulfilling the contract is not uniquvical to not going against the contract

Like I said, you can cause the contract to fail thus going against the contract but still fufill your side of the bargain. Devils in the details mate.

There is literally nothing else Zaros can do that would go against the contract. The only way the contract can fail is if Zamorak does not follow through on his side of the deal, and it would be entirely on Zamorak. Zaros is safe. That''s all there is to it.

22-Nov-2016 00:55:14

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Kemtros said :
Cthris said :
Yeah but you said whomever goes against the contract is killed. Fulfilling the contract is not uniquvical to not going against the contract

Like I said, you can cause the contract to fail thus going against the contract but still fufill your side of the bargain. Devils in the details mate.

There is literally nothing else Zaros can do that would go against the contract. The only way the contract can fail is if Zamorak does not follow through on his side of the deal, and it would be entirely on Zamorak. Zaros is safe. That''s all there is to it.
You guys aren't thinking like a cthonian lol. An outside force could trick Zaros into performing an action that prevents Zamorak from fulfilling the contract, thus causing Zaros to act against the contract, which could cause his demise.

A more realist scenario is that Zamorak tricks Zaros into asking something that is unobtainable thus causing Zaros to make it so that the contract can never be complete. An action that causes the contract to never be complete would be the same as working against the contract, thus if Zamorak tricks Zaros into asking for something that can never be completed Zaros will be killed by the pact.

22-Nov-2016 01:43:37 - Last edited on 22-Nov-2016 01:46:47 by Cthris

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The way I understand it is that Zaros already did his part, and now it's Zamorak's turn. They both know how the contract works and it was quite simple, Zamorak now has to done one thing that Zaros tells him to do.

For Zamorak tricking Zaros into asking something against the contract, I can't see it happening, as Zaros clearly already knows what he'll ask. In this case, Zaros was the demon making the deal and Zamorak the one accepting it. Zamorak's wish was granted and now the demonic contract binds him, and If Zaros asks for something impossible, it's too bad, because Zamorak agreed he'll do anything .

It wouldn't really make sense to have the contract kill both of them if one of them fails, as that way you'd be risking your own life while trying to cheat others. And that's what Zaros did here. He used Zamorak's good intentions for the mahjarrat race to force him into a ridiculous deal.

I mean Zaros basically agreed to save his own life and to gain some power in exchange for the chance to make Zamorak do absolutely anything he wants. Doesn't sound like a fair deal, but at least Zamorak has the chance to kill himself if the thing Zaros asks seems too horrible. I'm pretty cool

22-Nov-2016 04:31:56

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Kanarthasis said :

In the quest FOTG, Zaros says to Azzanadra that the previous explosion of Forinthry did not wake the elder gods, only Guthix. He intends to make a more targeted form of destruction to rouse them.

WHAT IF: Zaros will ask Zamorak to do this, to target the supply of anima in the God wars 2 dungeon that Telos guards, so the elder gods wake? Zamorak would be blamed and this would cause Saradomin, and the other Gods who oppose Zamorak to infight and cause no opposition to Zaros and his quest to Elder-godhood.


From my understanding, Zaros said he'd collect on his deal during Sliske's game. So unless he's planning to get Zamorak to leave or something during the thing, I can't see Zaros asking for an attack to wake the Elders during the game since the plan to deal with them waking up isn't even ready yet.

Though I can see Zaros asking Zamorak to attack the winner of the Stone (or give it up if he wins it) or steal it from them somehow. Whoever has it will undoubtedly be a potential threat, so taking 2 pieces off the board like that is right up his alley.
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22-Nov-2016 04:58:01

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Dethal said :
The way I understand it is that Zaros already did his part, and now it's Zamorak's turn. They both know how the contract works and it was quite simple, Zamorak now has to done one thing that Zaros tells him to do.

For Zamorak tricking Zaros into asking something against the contract, I can't see it happening, as Zaros clearly already knows what he'll ask. In this case, Zaros was the demon making the deal and Zamorak the one accepting it. Zamorak's wish was granted and now the demonic contract binds him, and If Zaros asks for something impossible, it's too bad, because Zamorak agreed he'll do anything .


It's impossible for Zamorak to do something that is impossible.... Doesn't really matter if he agreed to do it because if it's impossible it can't be done. Therefore asking for something impossible causes the contract to be unfulfilled. The action of asking for something impossible would thus be an act against the contract. An act against the contract causes one to die. Thus Zaros can still be killed by asking for the impossible.

Keep in mind I'm not making predictions. My scenario constructs are to only demonstrate what is possible. Though admittedly I do like the possibility of a mortal trickster tricking Zaros into asking for something impossible and thus bringing about the end of both gods.

Also it's worth keeping in mind that the wording of the contract is very ambiguous. Like I said to Leth not"Working against the contract" is not univocal to fulfilling your side of the bargain. There are lots of ways one can work against a contract while still fulfilling one half of the bargain.

So yeah, Zaros is not in the clear yet. Is it likely that the contract will be his demise? Hell no. But I don't really care to talk about what is likely, but rather what is possible.

22-Nov-2016 05:01:02 - Last edited on 22-Nov-2016 05:06:07 by Cthris

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At this point even I'm getting tired of the whitewashing. Holy crap, Zamorak, just grow a pair. Couldn't even ask what the favor was or make some exceptions because your bleeding heart got caught up in the moment? Runescape doesn't need a hero...it needs a villain. An all encompassing force of evil that will remain ever-threatening and use chaos to make the peoples of Gielinor tolerate each other, grow strong together, and fight side by side against this evil. I am that villain.

22-Nov-2016 05:11:08

Dethal
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Cthris said :
Stuff.

Maybe so, I suppose it's up to storywriters to decide how the pact works. I just think it'd be silly if Zaros had to know what he can ask for.

Zamorak promised that Zaros can ask him to do anything and he'll do it. That's it. If he doesn't do it for any reason, even if the reason is that the act simply can't be done, he is breaking that promise. Because in the end it boils down to "Did Zamorak do thing X? Yes/no."

If it worked the way you describe it, they should've said that Zaros can ask for anything that Zamorak can actually do within reasonable physical and mental limits. And then it would also get sketchy, as he could have someone else stun him to lower his capabilities briefly enough for the deed to become impossible for him. And then add a part about lowering his limits. And the contract would become very long with all the details and Zamorak could still find a loophole. So it's better for Zaros to play it safe and make sure that he can ask for anything, no matter what.

That's what I'd do if I was tricking someone into a contract like that.
And clearly Zamorak either knows a way out or is ready to do anything that is less worse than getting insta-killed by the contract he made. And Zaros also knows that asking for anything impossible is simply a bit quicker way to kill Zamorak, so surely he wouldn't waste it like that. I'm pretty cool

22-Nov-2016 05:27:30 - Last edited on 22-Nov-2016 05:31:46 by Dethal

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