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I don't think Zaros wants Zamorak dead.

After that cutscene, it seems Zaros admires Zamorak because of his will to overcome limitations and unlock his true potential.

I think Zaros just wants to control Zamorak so he doesn't mess up Gielinor.

22-Nov-2016 05:46:45

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2023

Cthris

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Dethal said :
Stuff and this:

1) "Zamorak promised that Zaros can ask him to do anything and he'll do it. That's it. If he doesn't do it for any reason, even if the reason is that the act simply can't be done, he is breaking that promise. Because in the end it boils down to "Did Zamorak do thing X? Yes/no.""

2) "they should've said that Zaros can ask for anything that Zamorak can actually do within reasonable physical and mental limits"

1) Not really. To make your claim true the clause would have to be "If you do not fulfill your contract you will be punished." But it wasn't that. The clause was "if you work against the contract you will be punished" Those clauses result in very different results even when under the same valuations. So no it does not boil down to "Did Zamorak do thing X? Yes/no." but instead the punishment boils down to "Did either Zam and/or Zar act towards non contract.

2) Who is they? The pact was a demon pact made by the Cthonians. It's meant to be filled with loopholes, and wrap arounds. Its anything but simply, and to think so would be to seriously underestimate the Cthonians.

22-Nov-2016 05:47:31

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2012

Dethal

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Cthris said :
Trying to keep the quotes looking simple.

1. Maybe I just remember things wrong if that's the wording of it. So yeah, my mistake there. That can mean many things, so we just have to wait and see to be sure of how deep the contract is with details.

2. They = Zamorak and Zaros. The pact may have been originally invented by the Cthonians, but Zaros tricked them with these contracts too. It led me to believe that he wouldn't be dumb enough to make a deal that can backfire and kill him by saying a couple of wrong words in a wrong situation. I mean they can make up the rules, and Zamorak was willing to give anything at that point. But maybe it doesn't work that way. I don't know. I'm pretty cool

22-Nov-2016 06:03:15

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2023

Cthris

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2. Zaros in game is said to be extremely logical and I would agree that under most circumstance he would not make such an illogical judgement. But... Zaros also tells us that Seren inhibits his logic and Seren was in very close proximity to Zaros at this time. Perhaps her presence had an effect on his judgement.

22-Nov-2016 06:11:12

Hazeel

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While Seren does have an affect on him, I don't think it makes him "dizzy on love", more it effects his judgement regarding her. Logically, he should just kill her while she was still weak. The Mahjarrat wouldn't fault him, nor would Zamorak. They might even help him. Not only would he look like a hero for killing a common enemy, but he'd defeat his greatest foe as Seren is most hell bent on stopping him.

...But he doesn't. Unless Seren is actually necessary to becoming an Elder God, then there is no logical reason to keep her alive. But he does anyway, and he defends her from the Mahjarrat because he can't help himself. I don't know who Zaros is fooling when he says this effect wears off over time, but he and Seren are both clearly wrong on that count.

Speaking of which, anyone else notice that the moment the Mahjarrat get a massive buff, 2/3 Zarosians begin to question him and maybe even move away from him a little bit? The only one that's still unwavering in loyalty is literally insane. Runescape doesn't need a hero...it needs a villain. An all encompassing force of evil that will remain ever-threatening and use chaos to make the peoples of Gielinor tolerate each other, grow strong together, and fight side by side against this evil. I am that villain.

22-Nov-2016 06:38:17

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2012

Dethal

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Hazeel said :
Speaking of which, anyone else notice that the moment the Mahjarrat get a massive buff, 2/3 Zarosians begin to question him and maybe even move away from him a little bit? The only one that's still unwavering in loyalty is literally insane.

All this time we were worried about Zaros using the mahjarrat, never realizing that it was the mahjarrat who were using Zaros.

I'm pretty cool

22-Nov-2016 06:56:31

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2005

Wahisietel

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Zamorak was a ****ing idiot to sign a contract with Zaros. You know, Zaros, the guy who bound the Chthonians to him by.... abusing a contract with them.

Zaros now has a blank cheque to get Zamorak to do anything he wants. This could range anywhere from "Give me the Stone of Jas", to "let me kill you", or even "Show me unwavering loyalty for the rest of time."

Zamorak dun fucked up. What next, is he going to sign a contract with Sliske during Endgame? That's pretty much the only way he could top this. You never were our brightest star, Khazard. 'Vermin slaughtered like lambs'? What does that even mean?

22-Nov-2016 09:06:57 - Last edited on 22-Nov-2016 09:07:20 by Wahisietel

Zulkir

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I do love the blank cheque Zamorak has given Zaros. But they did both agree to the terms of the contract, and Zaros did make good on his promise.

Zamorak had no choice really, and it's his own fault for attacking first, but I'm sure he learned his lesson that without the siphon he can't stand against a real god.

Or Saradomin.

Or... the rest of them.

Hmm.

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22-Nov-2016 11:50:55

Lord Bhaal

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If this is his plan I see Zamorak sacrificing himself rather than take the blame for it.

Zamorak is the liberator after all.
The lord of empty promises won't get it done.

Strength through Chaos!
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22-Nov-2016 13:25:34

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2013

Derack

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Zulkir said :
I do love the blank cheque Zamorak has given Zaros. But they did both agree to the terms of the contract, and Zaros did make good on his promise.

Zamorak had no choice really, and it's his own fault for attacking first, but I'm sure he learned his lesson that without the siphon he can't stand against a real god.

Or Saradomin.

Or... the rest of them.

Hmm.

I'm pretty sure zamorak can stand a chance, or atleast long enough to land a few blows before going down (lore wise he should be able to). It was merely another stare contest, only for a few seconds that is.

Not much of a fight.

Regardless, it is the truth that Zamorak will never win against another god, perhaps maybe against Bandos if he was still alive, but with popularity contest's, also know as "World events". Zamorak will never stand a chance.

Nor will we ever see a epic showdown if it's only a kamehameha fight... or a stare contest untill ~~Greedo shoots first~~ a god fires the divine cannon and the other one takes the hit, while logical able to move from the spot, but doesn't do it because jagex says f*** you that's why.

Yes, i hate world events that have that stupid climax.

Edit; can you really blame Zimzam for attacking first? if you know Zaros like he does.

"If you believe you can distance yourself from the harm you cause, you're deluding yourself. You're not some mindless tool. You're accountable. Your actions will catch up with you eventually." -Jedi Master Jun Seros; Swtor Bounty Hunter storyline.

22-Nov-2016 14:27:25 - Last edited on 22-Nov-2016 14:29:33 by Derack

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