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Thammaron

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Well Noki, as a Zamorakian I have to agree with you. I wish there was a way we could choose the "chaotic path" more often. Some quests should have a "good and bad side" to choose.
Most quests today work out for nearly everyone, even Zarosians. But for Zamorakians? pff. The few quests we got to help Zamorak was Dishonour among Thieves and Death of Chivalry.
But I do understand there has to be a limit/balance in the game. The reason why we are obligated to become world guardian is especially to prevent us from reaching godhood and help our choosen god or become a god ourselves. And the game has a variety of quests, so we either complete them or refuse to do so. For example, some Saradominists/Zarosians might hate Dishonour among Thieves (while we love it) because they have no choice other than helping Zamorak or Sliske. And Bandosians probably hate the chosen commander as well (even though Bandos personally praises the player's ability to destroy his avatar). And my Armadylean alt hated to defeat Kree'arra in WA. The list goes on.
I do agree with what some players posted here. We have to try to look at it in a different light. Yes you're helping another god other than your own, or you're betraying your kind. But maybe there's a greater reason behind it. You can almost always find a justification for why your character helped god x or killed the monster y.

23-Apr-2017 02:27:34

Sepulchre
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How do you think the Bandosians (If they even exist, which I still doubt) felt?
How do you think the Sliskeans (If they have feelings, which I still doubt) felt?
How do you think people who dislike Saradomin feel?
Or the people who dislike Seren?
Or people who wanted the Iorworth to win?

The game is just that way, it has always been that way.
A
World Guardian
must learn to find
Balance
in themselves.
Only then can they
Control
themselves and forge their own
Fate .

27-Apr-2017 18:52:30

Quael
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Hazeel said :
Quael said :
No lore to support us being different than what a lot of people assume we are.

No Biehn in-game to show he IS the leader (because no one reads the frigging book of the gods)

Not being able to mention Guthix as a good person because people will call us hypocrites because he is (ppl seem to forget "WAS&quot ;) a God.


1) Have you considered that maybe they're right?

2) He's a co-founder, which puts him in the same position a Kara-Meir.

3) It is hypocritical.


1. They aren't though?

2. He is founder, Kara-Meir is Co-founder. Unless someone founded it before Biehn, than maybe. But is is known as a LEADER. Not co-founder, who is Kara-Meir, and stated will b his right hand.

3. How is it though? WE are saying he was a good person, the only one that cares about us, after he died truth were revealed so the faction was formed. it would be hypocritical if we say we side with a god all the time despite who we are.
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28-Apr-2017 01:39:06

Quael
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Astraea L said :
Quael said :
You know whats even harder? Being Godless when we have:

No lore to support us being different than what a lot of people assume we are.
Just out of curiosity, what do you think people assume the Godless are, and in what way are they different from that assumption? Quael said :
Not being able to mention Guthix as a good person because people will call us hypocrites because he is (ppl seem to forget "WAS" ;) a God.
How is it not hypocritical to believe all the gods are bad except for Guthix? Is it not a double standard to respect one god but oppose all the rest just because they're gods?


1. "They are barbarians, all gods haters, wants war, wants all gods dead, No my seren wifu must live!" That isn't true, not ALL godless are a Kara-Meir, Garlandia is proof. Not all of us are gods killing spree, yes we want them out, and their influence gone, but not all of us are hardcore"we must kill gods and always must fight." in a old Q&A, I asked if the Godless would understand Icthlarin and his task in the underworld, Osborne said. "some would understand, but the Hardline Godless would want him gone also." So it's the fact that we are separated in two belief, with the same goal that people view only the bad side.

2. Because we were never around when Guthix was alive? As someone posted, the Godless were formed after Guthix's death, and his true intentions and belief (aside from Balance). Even Kara-Meir during the Battle of Lumbridge complimented Guthix's view of a world with no gods, and how his teaching were turned into worship.
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28-Apr-2017 01:48:56

Quael
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Sepulchre said :
How do you think the Bandosians (If they even exist, which I still doubt) felt?
How do you think the Sliskeans (If they have feelings, which I still doubt) felt?
How do you think people who dislike Saradomin feel?
Or the people who dislike Seren?
Or people who wanted the Iorworth to win?

The game is just that way, it has always been that way.


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28-Apr-2017 01:49:16

Lego Miester
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VILE39 said :
It's hard being Zamorakian when the Wine of Zamorak is so profitable alluring! :P


"STOP STEALING MY WINE GAH! " -Zimzam

They should make it so that, now that he's properly returned, there's a 1/1000 chance of him actually teleporting to you and personally smiting you.
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28-Apr-2017 03:55:39

Hazeel

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Quael said :
1. They aren't though?


Well so far it's the lore vs your unfounded feelings.

Quael said :
2. He is founder, Kara-Meir is Co-founder. Unless someone founded it before Biehn, than maybe. But is is known as a LEADER. Not co-founder, who is Kara-Meir, and stated will b his right hand.


*sigh* You realize you can't have a founder and a co-founder in the same organization, right? A founder is used to refer a sole individual who has founded a group or organization. A co-founder is used to describe one among a group of people who founded an organization or group.

Quael said :
3. How is it though? WE are saying he was a good person, the only one that cares about us, after he died truth were revealed so the faction was formed. it would be hypocritical if we say we side with a god all the time despite who we are.


1) My God you need to articulate your thoughts better. I can barely understand that.

2) Saying that "All Gods are bad" and then white knighting one is hypocritical.

3) Honestly, the whole foundation is of the Godless is a little hypocritical when you think about it.

Guthix: Mortals should follow their own path and act on their own will instead of following Gods, including myself. Forget about me.

Godless: We're going to create a world without Gods!

Hazeel: Why?

Godless: Because Guthix told us to!

Hazeel: ...
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28-Apr-2017 04:42:23 - Last edited on 28-Apr-2017 04:43:48 by Hazeel

ZAmorakZaros
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Sepulchre said :
How do you think the Bandosians (If they even exist, which I still doubt) felt?

They should understand that the more powerful ones win.
Sepulchre said :
How do you think the Sliskeans (If they have feelings, which I still doubt) felt?

wHAT? I am pretty sure everything went according to his pointlessly complicated plans.
Sepulchre said :
How do you think people who dislike Saradomin feel?

Very angry
Sepulchre said :
Or the people who dislike Seren?

Was there a reason for that before we met her?
Sepulchre said :
Or people who wanted the Iorworth to win?

Iorwerth is the right name, I think. And hey, he achieved his goal. The dark lord was freed

And you forgot the people who wanted Tuska to win.
NO
I do not ship ZamorakxZaros.
I follow them. And Marimbo, the best t5 god.

28-Apr-2017 10:45:00

Maiden China

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Lego Miester said :
VILE39 said :
It's hard being Zamorakian when the Wine of Zamorak is so profitable alluring! :P


"STOP STEALING MY WINE GAH! " -Zimzam

They should make it so that, now that he's properly returned, there's a 1/1000 chance of him actually teleporting to you and personally smiting you.
would that also happen with telegrab though?
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28-Apr-2017 16:11:56

Quael
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@ Hazeel

1. Given little to no lore on the entire faction, vs given little to no lore and reading the dialogue of not only Kara-Meir, which everyone seem to do, but also Garlandia, so no, they aren't, it's more like, opinion because they aren't good lore faction vs not feelings, but one who read their dialogue, having his own opinion, so...... your opinion on how you wanna see it.

2. Founder is the individual who has the idea or vision to start a venture from scratch. Co-founder is a term that is used to refer to the members of the group that takes the initiative to set up a venture. So.... yes they can? But if you still wanna say no, even Jagex in old Q&A stated Kara-Meir isn't leader. So... yeah she isn't leader right hand woman is more of her title, as she did said to him. So my statement still stands.

3. Yes, because ALL of the godless in lore will actually say that. .. Sure some players would because most of us agree with Guthix. But yes, we will 100%, all of us say "Guthix told us." No I am Godless because I agree with Guthix, and the Godless, not because he told me, (btw it was more of a request.) Yes I do agree that the faction itself is basically in terms of agreeing with Guthix, a god who is dead, and isn't seen as a god by some good numbers. But if you think about it, every faction has their own hypocritical view, even Serenists.
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30-Apr-2017 14:42:53 - Last edited on 30-Apr-2017 14:45:43 by Quael

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