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Rifleavenger
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Summerleaf said :
Ancient Drew said :
There might be Zamorakian heroes as well, people who strive to free slaves and get them to chase their own paths through chaos.

I want a quest on this. (or just make up some lore on the spot, and make Camorra a Zamorakian).

I concur that it's a good idea. Asides from your suggestion, I'd like a quest where a Zamorakian argues to Zamorak for freeing some of his non-human races from pseudo-forced servitude (mostly demons, though I'd put werewolves under this too). To be chaotic against one's will is just to be driven insane.

03-Mar-2017 18:06:20

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Rifleavenger said :
I concur that it's a good idea. Asides from your suggestion, I'd like a quest where a Zamorakian argues to Zamorak for freeing some of his non-human races from pseudo-forced servitude (mostly demons, though I'd put werewolves under this too). To be chaotic against one's will is just to be driven insane. your zamorakianism is lifting yourself up by pushing others down (which isn't the only way, ofcourse, but it's the fastest and most common way)
so you asking zamorak that would be going against everything zamorak believes

if those 'slaves' wanted to be freed, they should (according to zamorak) do it themselves

The 'I want to be a zamorakian but not a bad guy' thing isn't going to work Carn

03-Mar-2017 22:21:53 - Last edited on 03-Mar-2017 22:22:42 by Maiden China

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Maiden China said :

so you asking zamorak that would be going against everything zamorak believes

if those 'slaves' wanted to be freed, they should (according to zamorak) do it themselves

The 'I want to be a zamorakian but not a bad guy' thing isn't going to work

Well, it's a good thing I'm not Zamorakian then (see my first post in the thread)! I'm actually very anti-Zamorak, him being one of very few gods I've consistently outright opposed, and stuff like this is precisely why.

Zamorak has argued his goal is to spur people into uplifting themselves, separating his philosophy from Bandos' tyranny and kratocracy. The problem is that once someone has been enslaved via certain supernatural means it's impossible to rebel. Most demons have a magical binding contract that forces them to obey, only 1 werewolf in canon post-Zammy has resisted falling to the bloodlust Zamorak imbued them with (and he was only half wolf), etc. You can't tell slaves to free themselves when they're shackled via magical means that rob them of free will. At that point they either need outside help or plot armor of some variety, with the former being anti-Zamorakian and the latter being bad writing.

So long as such a "pull yourself up by the bootstraps" philosophy is stringently kept to, Zamorak's philosophy is self-defeating. Without some respect for the freedom of others (though not necessarily rules), eventually someone will amass enough power to bend everyone to their will and enforce order, destroying chaos. Zamorak could respond by killing anyone who tries that, but then he's destroying people for having become strong and still contradicting his goals.

Jagex cannot keep things that way if they want every non-Sliske faction to be a viable option with an understandable cause. Which I thought was the goal.

PS: Also, "the strong rule and the weak serve/die" was supposed to be Bandos' stance.

04-Mar-2017 00:20:48 - Last edited on 04-Mar-2017 00:39:57 by Rifleavenger

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Maiden China said :

if those 'slaves' wanted to be freed, they should (according to zamorak) do it themselves



I agree that this fits most with Zamorakian philosophy.

Maiden China said :


The 'I want to be a zamorakian but not a bad guy' thing isn't going to work

I greatly disagree with this. Chaotic-Good is a thing that has existed in the fantasy genre for decades, and in mythology for centuries.

04-Mar-2017 00:31:17 - Last edited on 04-Mar-2017 00:37:24 by Summerleaf

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Ancient Drew said :
The funny thing is, a lot of the villains of Fifth Age quests and stuff who are Zamorakian tend to either misinterpret Zamorak's teachings or think he's the god of evil (as the Kinshra do), or are just douchebags who need a slap anyway. There might be Zamorakian heroes as well, people who strive to free slaves and get them to chase their own paths through chaos.

Thats a really interesting point. I guess you can say that again.

I'm starting to see how everything is open to interpretation and being able to put together the pieces of the puzzle yourself can certainly change your viewpoints on different issues. This can definitely be applied to most quests . ^_^

04-Mar-2017 01:47:06

Maiden China

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Summerleaf said :
Maiden China said :
The 'I want to be a zamorakian but not a bad guy' thing isn't going to work I greatly disagree with this. Chaotic-Good is a thing that has existed in the fantasy genre for decades, and in mythology for centuries. what I meant by this was that ... you 'can' be a 'good guy' zamorakian, but you can't pretend that all zamorakians are going to be good guys also, and really, based on the idea of zamorakianism, most of them are going to be bad guys Carn

05-Mar-2017 07:06:29 - Last edited on 05-Mar-2017 07:09:28 by Maiden China

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Being a Zamorakian ain't so bad.

I blame Jagex for making Zammy evil from the beginning of the game. The god's have a great story potential, But, with how it all started... Some things can't be turned into something great, ones it's meant to be bad from the start.

It's possible to be a good/hero like Zamorakian - it's not about being a evil jerk, it's about over coming obstacles, becoming stronger and better then you were in the first place.

There are always those that will (interprets words and meanings to) do bad things and use a religion to justifice their actions. It's just like real life.
"If you believe you can distance yourself from the harm you cause, you're deluding yourself. You're not some mindless tool. You're accountable. Your actions will catch up with you eventually." -Jedi Master Jun Seros; Swtor Bounty Hunter storyline.

10-Mar-2017 11:33:38

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[Chorus]
Oh, Zamorak it's hard to be Zamorakian
When you're fighting for others all day!
Oh, Zam it's hard to be Zamorakian
How many Kinshra will I murder today?
To know me is to want me
To fight for Zaros or Ser-an!
Oh Zam, it's hard to be Zamorakian,
But I'm doing the best that I can!

I used to follow your wisdom,
But the others just had to compete
All these star-struck goddies,
Who keep crawling and kissing my feet.
Oh, I could probably get richer
If I just chose to be on their side!
But if Zammy knew I'd left him,
He'd probably break down and cry!

All together now!

[Chorus]

[Chorus]

...But I'm doing.....the best that....I can!!!

17-Apr-2017 06:27:59

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