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Noky said :

How can it be possible for me to enjoy the game as a Zamorakian when all things are against it?

Isn't the entire point of being Zamorakian supposed to be having the world set against you so you could overcome it?

If nothing else, I see the situation the same way I see a Godless player justifying helping out other gods despite them being...well, godless. Despite being on a different side, you could be helping out rival factions to gain their favor for a later backstabbing play against them. Or you could be currying favors with other factions to call in later when a threat pops up that you can't handle alone.

Or you could just take the pragmatic route and assume that a megalomaniac villain with a Plot Device of DOOM!@#! is going to inconvenience everyone if they get their way, and if that means having to kill a fellow Zamorakian...well, the guy should know that someone else sharing his belief system would probably not want the world to blow up since that screws over their chance at glory and power too.
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03-Mar-2017 02:34:34

Noky

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You've brought up a valid point. I love hearing about everyone's views and opinions on this.

When I wrote "How can it be possible to enjoy the game as a Zamorakian when all things are against it", I specifically meant how the story makes it seem like you're not a part of the faction as seen in many quests throughout the game (such as joining up with notable Saradomin followers and helping them getting rid of the "bad guy" who happens to be a Zamorakian). Not as in the whole world is against you because of your faith. To be honest, I wish that would happen. :P

The story has an odd feeling to it in making it feel like the created player is part of the "good guys" and therefore, always ends up helping them when it comes to fighting off the bad ones. This can be spotted in the many 5th Age quests. The standard good guy - "oh we have a problem help me out? " "Yeah sure I will" - ends up fighting a bad guy who happens to follow Zamorak makes you look like a Sara follower does it not?

I hope you know what I mean, it's just kind of hard explaining it :|

03-Mar-2017 06:58:17

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Noky said :
When I wrote "How can it be possible to enjoy the game as a Zamorakian when all things are against it", I specifically meant how the story makes it seem like you're not a part of the faction as seen in many quests throughout the game (such as joining up with notable Saradomin followers and helping them getting rid of the "bad guy" who happens to be a Zamorakian). Not as in the whole world is against you because of your faith. I think this applies much more to Sliskean players. Zamorakian players embody a specific ideology, and you can frame pretty much any action the World Guardian has taken within that ideology. For example, battling members of the Zamorakian faction can just be seen as proving your strength and testing whether they're worthy of serving Zamorak/surviving in general.

Sliskeanism... or whatever you want to call it... is similar, but Sliske's ideology is barely coherent and so much of it revolves around Sliske himself, who was/is 100% antagonist (unlike Zamorak). Without Sliske, let alone a decent relationship with him, the Sliskean faction is basically a joke. For that reason I think it's pretty much impossible for a player to adequately roleplay as a Sliskean, whereas with Zamorak it just requires some light recontextualizing. Patrolling Lore FC almost makes you wish for a Great Revision.

03-Mar-2017 07:29:26

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Why does this thread feel like the start of Wreck it Ralph...? Runescape doesn't need a hero...it needs a villain. An all encompassing force of evil that will remain ever-threatening and use chaos to make the peoples of Gielinor tolerate each other, grow strong together, and fight side by side against this evil. I am that villain.

03-Mar-2017 09:10:29

ZAmorakZaros
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You will learn to live with it.

They are mostly just obstacles on my path to world domination.

And we can help Hazeel, you know.

And I am not sure about how loyal some of those mahjarrats are... *Looks at certain cousins*

Agrith Naar and Delrith were threats to us while Iban and Tarn were obstacles. Especially Iban. He blocked our path to prif. I can justify these.

And the mahjarrats? Well...

I helped Hazeel to return.

Zemouregal is a competitor for me. And a jerk. And have you seen what happened when he took over Varrock?

Khazard? We just decided to enter his arena to do what it is made for. Fight. And then he was the one to attack us.

Enakhra needed some fresh air. NO
I do not ship ZamorakxZaros.
I follow them. And Marimbo, the best t5 god.

03-Mar-2017 10:47:51

Ancient Drew

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The funny thing is, a lot of the villains of Fifth Age quests and stuff who are Zamorakian tend to either misinterpret Zamorak's teachings or think he's the god of evil (as the Kinshra do), or are just douchebags who need a slap anyway. There might be Zamorakian heroes as well, people who strive to free slaves and get them to chase their own paths through chaos. Prepare for hell on RuneScape in Naval Cataclysm!

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03-Mar-2017 16:47:39

Rifleavenger
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I think the far harder thing is to try and walk a path with a clear philosophical leaning, but not favoring a single god. What happens when you want to support multiple deities with similar philosophies, but as an ally or equal or mediator rather than a sycophant, shifty flatterer, or a schizophrenic?

Too often the dialogue choices are "I love you!," "I hate you!," "I'm the World Guardian and all gods are bad," and some flavor of "I'm a self centered prick."

Still, I think I've been making it work. I've supported Saradomin, Armadyl (less so outside of WE2 despite wanting to, he really needs a quest focused on him), Zaros, and the Guardians of Guthix (not so much the Godless proper) variously, while acting totally against Zamorak and Bandos. Even with the ones I like, I tell them off when I feel they're wrong (I wish there were more dialogue options that let me do this nicely though). The result is a kind of jumbled mess of characters being variously pleased and disappointed with me, but that makes sense. Ultimately, like any role-play, this requires you to try and re-contextualize the areas where the limitations of the game prevent you from expressing yourself 100% within its literal bounds.

The other reason Zamorak is going to be really hard is earlier quests. Back in the day your character did have a somewhat set characterization as an accidentally competent idiot, and even serious quests had a comedic tinge. Being able to truly choose was not part of the story. In addition, Zamorak was more of a cardboard cutout "bad guy," and so he and his followers made for easy villains. That said, it makes sense nonetheless to me; surely followers of chaos will be prone to plots to further their own power via disruptive means, as well as some degree of infighting.

03-Mar-2017 16:57:47

Summerleaf
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Ancient Drew said :
There might be Zamorakian heroes as well, people who strive to free slaves and get them to chase their own paths through chaos.

I want a quest on this. (or just make up some lore on the spot, and make Camorra a Zamorakian).

Deltaslug said :
Don't worry.
Seems there will be an event in March 2017 where the Twin furies are sending out agents to kill/punish traitors.

One more reason for it to be hard to be a Zamorakian.

I think it's gonna end up being an MTX event, but regardless, it's something.

03-Mar-2017 17:51:45

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