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RelmKisaragi

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I think the TokHaar are just like the Dragonkin. They are one with The Elder Kiln, just as the Dragonkin are one with the Stone of Jas, so I think it still stands to reason that The Elder Kiln is in fact an artifact. Interesting to note, though, that unlike the Dragonkin the TokHaar actually support their creators.

And it wouldn't really surprise me that they added this dialog after the fact. They'll probably also add voice acting to other creatures in the TzHaar area in a hidden update/patch notes like they did in Burthorpe.

07-Dec-2012 00:53:14

Balustan

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@RelmKisaragi I am not sure the Dragonkin do not support their creators. Kerapac certainly doesn't but the rest maybe they do.

I need to get round to updating this thread sometime I have something fairly major to add.

@Okami Cake That seems to be their symbol.
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14-Dec-2012 13:49:20

Ingy

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I think the world gate/life portals are made by artifacs rather than being artifacts themselves, I see how it's needed to create a world but I wouldn't consider it an artifact.

Staff of Armadyl, I am quite sure it was made by Armadyl for a couple of reasons;
-The name: we have seen the Stone of Jas, it was called the Stone of Jas and not the fist of Guthix / eye of Saradomin variant. If the staff were from another origin than the hands of Armadyl himself, it would have at least been hinted by something which isn't the case. It is called the staff or Armadyl by every npc that knows about it, any book or tome you can find about it and I haven't heard of a J mod calling it different.
- The dragonkin were able to shatter the Staff, if it were an artifact of the elder gods wouldn't it have been a little harder than a simple slash? I know that the kin are extremely powerful but this was way too easy.
- Compared to the Stone and the Kiln, it had 0 security. a couple of lvl 60 armadyl guards? Enslave a race for the Stone, bunch of tokhaar Jads @ the kiln and 'the' staff doesn't even get one decent guard? It was stolen from an empty temple in the 2nd age (not important enough to guard by Armadyl himself?) Zamorak only won by chance while it was stuck in Zaros' back, you can steal it as easily as stealing a cake (during temple of ikov quest) and Lucien didn't even dare to challange you at the end of while Guthix sleeps. I'm sorry but this staff doesn't have the world-creating capacity over it.
- Armadyl is the God of justice and he must have had reasonable power looking at the floating citadels and his loyal followers the aviantese, he made the hilt for the Armadyl godswword why couldn't he have created the Staff? As far as I know, the Staff isn't all-powerful, it's rather a vessel of power. Like how Zaros' power was transported to Zamorak when they were both impaled. Armadyl created the Staff as it was able to drain Zaros so he could be killed. It was made for the ocasion!

14-Dec-2012 15:28:54

Ingy

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And ofcourse there is the symbol of Armadyl on top of the staff and the shards of it's orb can be used to make armadyl runes which cast the storm of the elder go...no just armadyl.

But he could have found the staff and added the orb! The dragonkin didn't break the staff! I can agree with that were there any proof that Armadyl didn't add the orb to a staff he also made.

It's just a staff which is capable of killing/draining something/someone powerfull by transporting energy/power out of him/her/it/pizza

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14-Dec-2012 15:36:18 - Last edited on 14-Dec-2012 15:37:37 by Ingy

Nuggats

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I've just been going through the chat options with Tokhaar-Hok and he reveals that the Tokhaar themselves are an artefact. His exact words are "Our masters forged many powerful artefacts of creation. The Tokhaar are one such artefact. You may have heard of another... the Stone of Jas."
So maybe the kiln either isn't an artefact, or is a kind of Tokhaar?

14-Feb-2013 23:43:20

Balustan

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No but the stone created the kin and the Kiln created the TokHaar. Therefore I count the Kiln and the TokHaar as one thing really as being TokHaar actually means you are linked to the sacred lava really which is part of the kiln.
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15-Feb-2013 18:10:11

Nuggats

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I don't think the Kin were created by the stone. In Kerapac's journals he says they've been cursed by Jas and have become slaves to the stone. Kerapac is trying to circumvent the curse because 'the dragonkin are not slaves'. This means that they were free once, and if Jas created them they never would have had freedom, would they?

15-Feb-2013 22:43:53

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