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Autumn Elite

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A word on the requirements. I’m fine with it being master. I am really sick of grandmaster sequels which are first just unending needing constant sequels and also just a short extension of other work. It seems the past few years we are just getting grandmasters in an attempt to sell the updates as epic. “Its grandmaster, that means its an epic update”. No, the quality of the update determines its epicene, sticking a high rank on does not make it better.


Onto the actual quest. We start at Zimberfizz and investigate the Soul Obeslik until it blows up. It really wasn’t clear Zimberfizz died and this doesn’t have much effect on the rest of the quest - not that we were close to Zimberfizz so his death doesn’t mean much. This feels like a throwback to Requiem for the sake of it and some opening exposition. The beginning could have been done much tighter to better effect.

Death and Icthlarin fill you in with more details. Nomad is now working with the order of ascension and kicked Icthlarin out because well the quest needed it to and its glossed over. This is a shame and would have made a much stronger opening cutscene or similar. Anyway to the underworld to collect allies.

First I went to Limbo, which is Lumbridge for some reason that isn’t given. The allies here are Jessika (or Korsai if you killed her), Hazelmere and Xenia as well as Astrid (or Brand) at the portal. For Hazelmere you talk to him then follow him when we teleports and repeat until he joins you. Jessika you need to fight her fear for her then talk to Korsai. Xenia you have to unlock her memories of shame.

02-Apr-2016 12:56:48

Autumn Elite

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This all just feels trippy and like obligated filler. Why we are getting these heroes and why these people are stuck here is not explained nor why we don’t try for others. It seems a small group to combat an army and is incredibly strange Hazelmere is in limbo, having a vision of his death & being dead the longest, compared to others. Weird for the sake of weird and poorly explained. This section isn’t hard or bad per say but there is just a sense of why is this here, what does it really add? Incredibly little. This section is just shrug inducing and could have been so, so much better.

Meanwhile Icthlarin provides some noteworthy lore of the afterlife which is divided into god factions. Not sure how I feel about this, in some ways its interesting in others it comes off a little odd unusual. Also rather interestingly, the Guthixian afterlife is not mention and also missing is the desert pantheon.

To the bandosian afterlife. Zanik needs your help protecting cave goblins from the bandosians attacking her and there are three waves.

To put it simply, the third wave is broke. It is based on poor mechanics, the enemies just swarm and move too fast. A lot of people are having problems with it. Its not just a few and its not just an issue of learning the strategy. It’s broke and needs a fix. I have seen posts of people with max combat & a nox staff and chaotic crossbows struggling. The majority of people are managing to do it but that does not mean it doesn’t need fixing. It was incredibly poorly developed and should not be like this. I finally managed to do it by using Legacy and Ice Burst, a strategy I got off a kind guy on the forums. It should not be a thing where players have to abandon EoC because something is easier in Legacy compared to borderline insane in EoC. This appears to be a time where an update is pitched as hard but really isn’t, its just using poor mechanics and is frustrating. The third wave is broken and needs to be changed.

02-Apr-2016 12:57:07

Autumn Elite

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Apparently there is access to bandosian and Xau-Tak dialogue if you met certain conditions. I did*’t but its interesting to note.

Also Zanik’s eyes are the incorrect colour. A nitpick? Yes but if you are going to use a character make sure you do it properly.

Next you interrogate a captured enemy in a unmemorable sequence (except maybe bloodthirsty zanik) and go to collect resources for a ram. You take two characters with you but are not attacked and they have no other dialogue. It just seems a completely invaluable part of the quest to code if it does nothing. Also Nomad gets a sympathetic backstory that doesn’t land. Plus he absorbed Astrid earlier. Forgot to say that, although the quest doesn’t do much with it either. There is a section guiding the ram and defeating ascension beings until you access the boss fight. Nomad also seems to have knowledge of lots of things because the plot demands it (he apparently knows the entire The World Wakes plot).

There is much talk about the boss fight. It is fine for players around level 75 and a challenge. Others expecting more of a challenge based on Nomad previously requiring top tier gear will be disappointed but this is a quest, it should**t require tier 90s to stand a chance. For those wanting the next great PvM challenge, wait until raids or limit yourself in this boss fight rather than call for a buff for content you have beaten. For others, it will be fine.

02-Apr-2016 12:57:32

Autumn Elite

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The boss fight is done fairly well. Nomad has four stages, each separated by an alternative section with one of your group. This breaks up the pure bossing. Nomad has a variety of attacks mostly magic but also his pet god Gielinor occasionally hits you or blasts magic beams as well as wrath (round 2 onwards), a clone (round 3) and melee (round 4). Overall as a PVM novice it was good. After you have learnt the mechanics and how to counter, its simply organising yourself to get the 100k down. Your team mates take Gielinor down in the alternate sections. Although Icthlarin calls Guthix his friend for some reason never explained.

With Nomad defeated, you chose who kills Gielinor and whether Nomad lives or not. Sliske steals the body away and everything is neatly sorted out.

The quest ends with a final choice. Zanik is allowed to return as the Soul Wars host if you agree. This is incredibly strange to me. Firstly the quest removes the hazeeling of Zanik The Mighty Fall does by making her dead for everyone then hazeels her again in the same quest. Also is this really a worthy ending for Zanik? Icthlarin pitches it as the one who never got to control her destiny being given a few more years. However is this true? Zanik is being made the Soul Obelisk guardian by a god. Yes this time she could have said no but its a conditional life making her a minigame host. So a god giving her limited time if she follows his terms. It seems like they were aiming for positive return but it comes off as a technical solution which both undermines their faith in The Mighty Fall (I agree it was awful and applaud overturning it but if you are doing 180 turns on major plot points in less than two years you don’t have your story in order) and the vast majority of Zanik's story arc.

02-Apr-2016 12:57:54

Autumn Elite

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The rewards also seem a little lacking. It is nice they are adding to Invention as the year goes on and hopefully that will flesh out the skill. However the exp rewards seem lacking. I completed Fate of the Gods and The Light Within before this and think it should have reasonably similar rewards. The combat was harder than The Light Within and it has similar requirements. The post quest content is also lacking.

So what do I think about Nomads Elegy? Overall its weak. The closest I get to liking the quest is saying some bits are alright but there are also areas that could have been done far better and some sections that are just bad.

It isn’t firing on all cylinders. At some points its hardly firing it all. I’d like to use the example of Hazelmere to demonstrate my point. Why was Hazelmere in this quest? He did nothing of prominence, there was no reason he specifically was needed and overall he could be cut out of this quest with little changed. Furthermore the opportunity of Hazelmere is wasted. We don’t discuss Lucien or the gnome plotline. He is brought back but not used. This is the poor writing of the quest. It was an idea based on hype but it isn’t used. It brings characters we like back but if this was the only parts we saw of them, they would not be notable characters.

The character work in Elegy was weak. Zanik gets a misguided and once again separating ending, Hazelmere does nothing, Jessika only slightly more. Really Xenia is the only character used effectively in the quest exploring her regrets and being a useful mirror to Nomad.

02-Apr-2016 12:58:20

Autumn Elite

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So Elegy messes up a lot. The character work fails on most accounts, the underworld setting is squandered, the third bandosian wave mechanics are appauling and the rest of the quest is fairly generic & forgetable. There are also huge leaps in logic that just aren't explained. My praise would be for the music and graphics, none which stand out incredibly to me - it just seems like the standard fair but with the rest of the quest being so weak they are the highlights.

As an incredibly weak opener to questing in 2016, Nomads Elegy fits with the low quality quests we should not be getting and a score of 4 out of 10. This is quite alarming for the 2016 structure which I was a big fan of and supported Invention. But this quality of questing is unacceptable and I really hope there is an significant improvement for the rest of the years questing content.


EDIT - Someone also mentioned to me that Sliske has no impact from out decision in Dishonour amongst Thieves. Seems like they forgot about that.

Also it seems like Zanik does have some post quest dialogue, which rather highlights my issues with how the ending for her is unsatisfactory but then just leaves it there. Being aware of a problem is not the same as addressing it.

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02-Apr-2016 12:59:25

Lord Drakan
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I agree with some points. The resource-gathering sequence didn't seem to add much and fixing up Hazelmere's soul didn't really require any effort. And Hazelmere should've been used more; his clone attack was cool, but his character and story weren't really discussed much, unlike with Xenia.

Some things, though, although I've said them all before: the third Bandosian wave is much easier in EoC and if people with noxious weapons are struggling that's because the weapons you use don't matter much, but the strategy does. It is stated very clearly why Jessika, Hazelmere, Astrid and Xenia are in Limbo, and Zanik's eyes are very much the correct colour. This colour was specifically mentioned on the thread that dealt with her update.
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03-Apr-2016 10:24:41

Chaos Lupus

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Lord Drakan said :
Right - River of Blood anyone?


Definitely not for me. It's not even in my top three quests of the Myreque series. It was one of the most disappointing quests I've played. Not terrible, but not nearly as good as it should have been.
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02-May-2016 17:57:16

Half Centaur
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Chaos Lupus said :
Lord Drakan said :
Right - River of Blood anyone?


Definitely not for me. It's not even in my top three quests of the Myreque series. It was one of the most disappointing quests I've played. Not terrible, but not nearly as good as it should have been.


Really?

I quite liked it. Not as much as LoV of Bod, but it was still very good.
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02-May-2016 20:58:58

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