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Crondis

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Why did the Elder Gods create Underworlds if they didn't intend to create conscious life? (The obvious exceptions being the Tok-haar****-haar, etc.)

Theres nothing that says the Elder Gods directly created afterlifes or Underworlds.

They may just be reprocussions to what the Elder Gods did make, meaning they may have been produced by the Anima Mundi of the worlds.

To put this into perspective for you:

Say I create a coin, but all I want is one side of the coin to exist. No matter what I want though, there is nothing I can do to prevent the coin from having opposite side.

So therefore, by creating this coin, I have created 2 sides to it, no matter my intentions.

So the Elder Gods may not have wanted there to be life, but because they created the worlds and their anima, there will always be that flipside. Crondis, mightiest God of the Kharidian Desert!

13-May-2014 18:22:41

Half Centaur
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I find it ironic how Zamorak demands Zaros to abdicate- and leave the empire to him- when Zaros already planned to abdicate, and leave him and Azzanadra in control...


Things would have been so much easier, had Zaros made that announcement before Zamorak came with the staff...

Well, or it would have been much harder for Zamorak to justify killing Zaros.

....Hmmm....

Maybe Zamorak did it so early, rather than wait to gather forces, anticipating Zaros's abdication and intending on swaying as much of the public in favor of himself. "We call it being a hero"
"That's interesting, we call it utter stupidity"

14-May-2014 02:00:56

Deltaslug

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I find it ironic how Zamorak demands Zaros to abdicate- and leave the empire to him- when Zaros already planned to abdicate, and leave him and Azzanadra in control...


Things would have been so much easier, had Zaros made that announcement before Zamorak came with the staff...

Well, or it would have been much harder for Zamorak to justify killing Zaros.

....Hmmm....

Maybe Zamorak did it so early, rather than wait to gather forces, anticipating Zaros's abdication and intending on swaying as much of the public in favor of himself.

Look at it a different way.
Yes, he wanted to step back, let Zam and Azzandra run the show.
Then, Zam comes in DEMANDING.
Yes, Zaros' plan was to hand it over, likely when he truly felt he was no longer needed and was certain the others could handle it.
Now you have a scenario where instead of being rational, trusted follower being groomed to take over, Zaros sees Zam as some petulant child wanting a cookie.

Instead of Zam making a calm, cool discussion on the future of the empire, or stating that he felt that it was time for a change and that he and the other Mahj felt they were ready, appealing to Zaros' sense of logic ...
Zam come barging in, says "Gimme!!"

While Zamorak certainly felt that he was in the right, we do need to consider Zaros' persepctive.

Another way to think about it how would you take it if your little niece or nephew walked in with a double barrel shotgun, aimed it at you and said they were now the head of the family?

14-May-2014 15:44:04

Big Storms

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Why this comic is fun to read, I sure hope it is not canon lore-wise: the portrayal of Zamorak is nothing less than evil, while Zaros, a being which age is no younger than the universe itself, acts as a generic person about to fall into someone's trap.

If anything I would imagine there being more to the fall of Zaros than this: Zaros was already distancing himself from his empire, slowly handing it over to the Mahjarrat. "One should not mindlessly follow gods or the godless:
follow
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own
path
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~Big Storms

14-May-2014 20:54:22 - Last edited on 14-May-2014 20:59:35 by Big Storms

Balustan

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Why this comic is fun to read, I sure hope it is not canon lore-wise: the portrayal of Zamorak is nothing less than evil, while Zaros, a being which age is no younger than the universe itself, acts as a generic person about to fall into someone's trap.

If anything I would imagine there being more to the fall of Zaros than this: Zaros was already distancing himself from his empire, slowly handing it over to the Mahjarrat.

I disagree I don't think it does show him as evil. It shows him doing evil acts yes but evil no. It shows him being impatient like a child. Also why wouldn't Zaros fall into a trap? All his other races he made deals with or were far below him in terms of power. He has never been betrayed. People trust Jagex at their word all the time despite their track record of lying.

Zamorak clearly has an understanding of Zaros enough that he knows he should not be ruling the Empire and that he'd one day hand it over. Had Zamorak answered why respectfully and gave good reasons I expect Zaros would have gone along with what Zamorak said.

I think Zamorak was partially doing it for the good of the Empire.
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14-May-2014 21:08:27

Cthris
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Why this comic is fun to read, I sure hope it is not canon lore-wise: the portrayal of Zamorak is nothing less than evil, while Zaros, a being which age is no younger than the universe itself, acts as a generic person about to fall into someone's trap.

If anything I would imagine there being more to the fall of Zaros than this: Zaros was already distancing himself from his empire, slowly handing it over to the Mahjarrat.

I disagree I don't think it does show him as evil. It shows him doing evil acts yes but evil no. It shows him being impatient like a child. Also why wouldn't Zaros fall into a trap? All his other races he made deals with or were far below him in terms of power. He has never been betrayed. People trust Jagex at their word all the time despite their track record of lying.

Zamorak clearly has an understanding of Zaros enough that he knows he should not be ruling the Empire and that he'd one day hand it over. Had Zamorak answered why respectfully and gave good reasons I expect Zaros would have gone along with what Zamorak said.

I think Zamorak was partially doing it for the good of the Empire.

In my opinion Zamorak is more like to himself "I can lead this better then Zaros, that's why I should be ruler" Its not so much he really cared that much about the empire, just that he thinks that the better ruler should be put on the throne.

14-May-2014 23:15:04

Edcy

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But the afterliving planes are distand leftovers from all so mixed magicks dat have come to be in existence due no other than randomness. Through randomness did some creatures find these planes and By all randomness dey seemed to be quite specialized wif em dead uns, slowly forming the aspect of the realm into infinite jar to hold ever flowing souls into it, eh? Heh. Now idno would this jar take the sweep of the cycle well, oh noe...

14-May-2014 23:28:47

Half Centaur
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I see Zamorak's reasoning for backstabbing Zaros as a potent mix of greed, and in a way hubris (thinking he could do better than Zaros at ruling, and he probably wasn't wrong in a few ways). The exact percentages is up in the air, and the feelings are interrelated anyway.

@Deltaslug, 100% agree "We call it being a hero"
"That's interesting, we call it utter stupidity"

15-May-2014 01:00:36

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