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2023

T Ancalagon

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Cthris said :
T Ancalagon said :
Cthris said :
Ancient Drew said :
The second spouse hasn't been confirmed male yet, but the fact Armadyl had a husband and had no qualms at all of talking about it speaks volumes of how culturally advanced the Armadylean faction is, especially in a medieval setting.
To be fair, being accepting of male - male relationships isn't proof of cultural advancement. The ancient greeks were very accepting of male - male relationships, in fact in some cities you were expected to engage in both kinds of relationships. However, often these relationships involved very young males with much older men.

I doubt this was the case at all with Armadyl or his aviancy, and I constantly am impressed by Jagex's, and especially Raven's inclusion of LGBT characters, (I think there is 4 npcs now) but let's just be careful with what we say.

Totally agree with everything you say here

It's fantastic! Who are the other three NPC's? I always thought Jessika and Korasi had the potential to be more than friends- there was also two male warriors in a deamonheim dungeon that were a couple (though they were dead

Actually now that I'm thinking about it, there are 5.

Zanik is bi-sexual.
Two forgotten warriors in the the Vengence Saga are gay.
Angof, the crystal shape-shifter is a trans women/elf.
Armadyl.

That's five. Though I agree that I totally ship Jessika and Korasi.

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20-Dec-2016 18:49:09

Nov

2012

Summerleaf

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Cthris said :
T Ancalagon said :
Cthris said :
Ancient Drew said :
The second spouse hasn't been confirmed male yet, but the fact Armadyl had a husband and had no qualms at all of talking about it speaks volumes of how culturally advanced the Armadylean faction is, especially in a medieval setting.
To be fair, being accepting of male - male relationships isn't proof of cultural advancement. The ancient greeks were very accepting of male - male relationships, in fact in some cities you were expected to engage in both kinds of relationships. However, often these relationships involved very young males with much older men.

I doubt this was the case at all with Armadyl or his aviancy, and I constantly am impressed by Jagex's, and especially Raven's inclusion of LGBT characters, (I think there is 4 npcs now) but let's just be careful with what we say.

Totally agree with everything you say here

It's fantastic! Who are the other three NPC's? I always thought Jessika and Korasi had the potential to be more than friends- there was also two male warriors in a deamonheim dungeon that were a couple (though they were dead

Actually now that I'm thinking about it, there are 5.

Zanik is bi-sexual.
Two forgotten warriors in the the Vengence Saga are gay.
Angof, the crystal shape-shifter is a trans women/elf.
Armadyl.

That's five. Though I agree that I totally ship Jessika and Korasi.

The Makeover Mage is technically Genderfluid, if you want to add that in.

21-Dec-2016 01:07:05

Nov

2023

Lego Miester

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Summerleaf said :

The Makeover Mage is technically Genderfluid, if you want to add that in.

Can we call the prince of Miscellania bi-curious? The princess is angry, insisting you change back immediately, but he just shrugs it off like "Well I liked you better as a woman, but I can deal with this. " Headcanon Haven, where everything is made up and the points don't matter.
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21-Dec-2016 03:48:12 - Last edited on 21-Dec-2016 03:48:24 by Lego Miester

Ascertes

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Lego Miester said :
Summerleaf said :

The Makeover Mage is technically Genderfluid, if you want to add that in.

Can we call the prince of Miscellania bi-curious? The princess is angry, insisting you change back immediately, but he just shrugs it off like "Well I liked you better as a woman, but I can deal with this. "

Oh? Did they finally fix that little flaw? Shame.

To the original post:
I don't see what the big deal is. Yes, he's gay or at least bi. So what? I don't mind Jagex including LGBT characters, especially for ones like Armadyl where is just makes sense. But I don't see a reason to get all giddy when this happens...

...Especially when some people make it into a borderline political issue. -Ascertes, King of all the Hallowlands and the Everchosen of Saradomin.

21-Dec-2016 03:55:25

Padomenes

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Ascertes said :
Lego Miester said :
Summerleaf said :

The Makeover Mage is technically Genderfluid, if you want to add that in.

Can we call the prince of Miscellania bi-curious? The princess is angry, insisting you change back immediately, but he just shrugs it off like "Well I liked you better as a woman, but I can deal with this. "

Oh? Did they finally fix that little flaw? Shame.

To the original post:
I don't see what the big deal is. Yes, he's gay or at least bi. So what? I don't mind Jagex including LGBT characters, especially for ones like Armadyl where is just makes sense. But I don't see a reason to get all giddy when this happens...

...Especially when some people make it into a borderline political issue. I'm not myself but what issue do you have with more LGBTI or darker characters? We could do with better or more representation of groups that exist outside that society perceives as "purely normal". We know there are more than two genders now for example or the fact that not everybody who is either metro or nonconformist to gender behavioral expectations is "not straight", but why aren't those taken into account yet? Its not an "issue", its called addressing reality.

I also heard you have far-right views regarding the recreational use of substances that in no way hurt others like marijuana or ecstasy?

21-Dec-2016 04:07:32 - Last edited on 21-Dec-2016 04:17:42 by Padomenes

Ascertes

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Padomenes said :
I'm not myself but what issue do you have with more LGBTI or darker characters? We could do with better or more representation of groups that exist outside that society perceives as "purely normal". We know there are more than two genders now for example, but why isn't that taken into account? Its not an "issue", its called addressing reality.

Forums probably isn't the best place for this. Regardless, here it goes.

As I said. I have no issue with LGBT characters as a principle. I actually like Armadyl being gay/bi because, like I said, it just makes sense. What I don't like is when characters with certain characteristics are just thrown in for the sake of diversity. Characters should always have their characteristics included because it in some way contributes to, enhances, or reinforces, the story. For example, it wouldn't make sense for a settlement in the Kharidian to have all white residents that have lived there for generations. It's just in complete conflict with how the story is already working, and ultimately contributes nothing to it. Sometimes homogeny is better for storytelling. Diversity for the sake of diversity undermines that.

TL;DR: Characters should have certain characteristics because its better for the story, and shouldn't be thrown in willy nilly so we can feel good about being diverse. -Ascertes, King of all the Hallowlands and the Everchosen of Saradomin.

21-Dec-2016 04:19:50

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2012

Summerleaf

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Ascertes said :

Oh? Did they finally fix that little flaw? Shame.

To the original post:
I don't see what the big deal is. Yes, he's gay or at least bi. So what? I don't mind Jagex including LGBT characters, especially for ones like Armadyl where is just makes sense. But I don't see a reason to get all giddy when this happens...

It's a shame they made a character less phobic?

Also, by saying that it "just makes sense" for Armadyl to be non-heterosexual, you're implying that there is a certain personality trait that goes along with it, and that it not ok.

When it happens, people get giddy, because we are finally getting some representation, rather than having to look at nothing but straight people all day, as if that is the default.

I am assuming that you are a straight cisgender male, so I can't expect you to understand the social implications that representation in media has, so I'm going to ask you to stay in your lane.

If you want to talk about a character's sexuality, talk about Saradomin's heterosexual relationship that conceived him a daughter, rather than feeling insecure that the gays are getting equality.

21-Dec-2016 05:20:12 - Last edited on 21-Dec-2016 05:23:41 by Summerleaf

Dec

2023

Unicornz pwn

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Summerleaf said :
Ascertes said :

Oh? Did they finally fix that little flaw? Shame.

To the original post:
I don't see what the big deal is. Yes, he's gay or at least bi. So what? I don't mind Jagex including LGBT characters, especially for ones like Armadyl where is just makes sense. But I don't see a reason to get all giddy when this happens...

It's a shame they made a character less phobic?

Also, by saying that it "just makes sense" for Armadyl to be non-heterosexual, you're implying that there is a certain personality trait that goes along with it, and that it not ok.

When it happens, people get giddy, because we are finally getting some representation, rather than having to look at nothing but straight people all day, as if that is the default.

I am assuming that you are a straight cisgender male, so I can't expect you to understand the social implications that representation in media has, so I'm going to ask you to stay in your lane.

If you want to talk about a character's sexuality, talk about Saradomin's heterosexual relationship that conceived him a daughter, rather than feeling insecure that the gays are getting equality.
Daaaaaamn calm down. Like that wasn't even his point. I agree we shouldn't sacrifice good storytelling on the altar of diversity, by doing that you are tokenizing minorities rather than making them out as people. You completely ignored that and went full gender studies major instead.

And honestly, Armadyl being gay was a pleasant addition, but I agree, it didn't blow me away in shock. Nothing wrong with saying Armadyl comes across as someone who could be gay, if it's not meant as a negative.

I'm also not a 'whitecishetmale' so you can refrain from telling me to stay in my lane.

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21-Dec-2016 05:29:40

Padomenes

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Ascertes said :
Padomenes said :
I'm not myself but what issue do you have with more LGBTI or darker characters? We could do with better or more representation of groups that exist outside that society perceives as "purely normal". We know there are more than two genders now for example, but why isn't that taken into account? Its not an "issue", its called addressing reality.

Forums probably isn't the best place for this. Regardless, here it goes.

As I said. I have no issue with LGBT characters as a principle. I actually like Armadyl being gay/bi because, like I said, it just makes sense. What I don't like is when characters with certain characteristics are just thrown in for the sake of diversity. Characters should always have their characteristics included because it in some way contributes to, enhances, or reinforces, the story. For example, it wouldn't make sense for a settlement in the Kharidian to have all white residents that have lived there for generations. It's just in complete conflict with how the story is already working, and ultimately contributes nothing to it. Sometimes homogeny is better for storytelling. Diversity for the sake of diversity undermines that.

TL;DR: Characters should have certain characteristics because its better for the story, and shouldn't be thrown in willy nilly so we can feel good about being diverse. Just because Armadyl has certain characteristics aka acts gender nonconformist in some ways does not mean you should suggest they are all associated with gays.

21-Dec-2016 05:30:56

Padomenes

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Unicornz pwn said :
Daaaaaamn calm down. Like that wasn't even his point. I agree we shouldn't sacrifice good storytelling on the altar of diversity, by doing that you are tokenizing minorities rather than making them out as people. You completely ignored that and went full gender studies major instead.

And honestly, Armadyl being gay was a pleasant addition, but I agree, it didn't blow me away in shock. Nothing wrong with saying Armadyl comes across as someone who could be gay, if it's not meant as a negative.

I'm also not a 'whitecishetmale' so you can refrain from telling me to stay in my lane. You are still far-right in your ideology and try to associate Armadyl's behaviors to all gays. I know what ideology you are. And its not sacrificing, its ensuring that its fair to people who do not conform to your status quos of what you call "normal" which is subjective to everybody. He is right, howcome we are only allowed to have characters/storytelling which must follow your standards?

21-Dec-2016 05:32:48 - Last edited on 21-Dec-2016 05:33:31 by Padomenes