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2003

Tuffty

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@Vaush

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Any posts removed have been removed and reasons left. Mainly due to Flaming and Naming and Shaming. Some removed for posting YouTube names to accuse others of botting. That too falls under Naming and Shaming using a proxy site.

As for Me staying Neutral I have no opinion on this thread or issue. I'm here doing housekeeping as per the F-Mod Guidelines as the Code of Conduct set out by Jagex. Also here due to reports via the Forum Help thread for Flaming and Naming and Shaming.

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03-Jul-2023 11:03:56

Jun 2023

0ffice Hours

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capn j a z z said :
It is unclear to me what the actual issue with the content here is. It seems mostly focused on inter-host drama, botting accusations (which we have avenues for), and a new host wanting a streamlined experience. I think it would help if someone would provide an explanation of the content problems that we are all vaguely trying to come up with "solutions" and "suggestions" for. Anyway here is the latest list of solutions, as compiled by rabbitmeds and vaush, which do relate to content:

- Add an option to preload marrentil on the burners. I had a conversation with Mod Ash about this on twitter and he agreed it was a good idea in order to reduce botting.
- Making a ledger in a second window on the ad. board. This would include how long a
player has been hosting in a game session and how much people have donated to hosts.
- Improving banning disruptive players from a player owned house (fixing current bugs, etc), maybe add a kick specific option?
- Improve clan functionality by removing the 500 person limit per clan.
- Expanding the advertising board to accommodate more players.
- expanding on the construction skill by adding skilling functions in home


I personally really like the skilling in house one which would be great for new and midgame players. Couldn't be overpowered of course but a great way to diversify poh functions too like a new host like lit altar could instead build their house layout focused on skilling help and fill a different niche. Just an idea!

Capn, in all that you post and write i just want to point out...
Damn son you are a good writer, i might not always agree but i do hope writing is related to your job or some ambition you pursue

03-Jul-2023 12:11:44

Vaush

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capn j a z z said :
0ffice Hours said :

@capn
we are here on the forums because the "proper channels" obviously are not working/enough, that is the main purpose of this post.

If that were the main purpose of this post then this wouldn't be about POH content changes: it would basically be a "git gud" post for Jagex? Pushing this topic over & over in this section and implying their bot detection program is inferior to your assumptions is a sort of git gud for jagex, yes? Your evidence: that you believe there is botting going on.

There is a forum section for reporting suspected bots. Since this is on the "Old School Content Suggestions" section, let's stay focused on that. Please reply specifically to the list I provided above and only reply if you are responding to that--otherwise we continue to muddle this thread with off-topic pedantics. But to clear up the digressive confusion in the meantime:

0ffice Hours said :

As a lvl 99 maxed house host, there is alot more than just "the familiarity factor" that drives people, reason that i have posted above and mentioned multiple times before. The list of solutions is a very good starting point, only thing i miss is something that (LEVEL THE PLAYINGFIELD) makes it so that anyone that maanges to get lvl 99 construction and plays legit could make it as a host wall

I'd rather we stay on topic about the suggestions, but to be clear, what besides having a maxed house would draw people to your house? Do you stream, do you have a clan, do you create content? In other words, why do you expect people to come to your house? A maxed house is a dime a dozen and they don't know your layout till they come, while they do know established hosts'. It's not fair to keep blaming suspected botting for the fact a maxed house is a dime a dozen on w330. And we've done this loop so many times that at this point it's redundant.

Bump

03-Jul-2023 14:18:26

Vaush

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capn j a z z said :
(cont.) You've already stated your belief that you should have more traffic because you have a maxed house, like all the other hosts on the ad board. I've already stated that familiarity, community building, and time are the crucial elements. No one can level a playing field that's built on time. That's what's unique about time. And indeed a unique element of osrs is its commitment to the idea you HAVE to commit time to reach goals. Even with purported easyscape, things take a long time in this game heh. And I for one love it.

0ffice Hours said :

Hosting is fun, meeting alot of people and more but it should stay part of a game that can be played by anyone, not gated by people who make it their fulltime job and do everything they can to have the upperhand and protect it with any means necassary

I don't think it would be fair for Jagex to punish people who do treat hosting like a "full time job" just as it wouldn't be fair for them to punish hiscore leaders for playing this game like a full time job. If there is suspected botting or cheating for those hiscore leaders, we've already discussed the appropriate channels. However, content changes to make it easier for people with less time to "compete" with people with more time is contradictory to this game.

0ffice Hours said :

Unlike everyone tries to slip in my shoes
I'm not here to make instant billions and be the number one
i'm here to have fun, play a game fairly but have a fair chance

Hosting is like a building a clan in this game, much more than it is like learning Inferno: no amount of content changes will make one person's clan that's struggling suddenly be more successful. There are no content changes to guarantee success in building a Twitch stream community, an in-game clan, nor a community of POH visitors.
Anyway, back to the topic at hand: [/quote][/quote]

Bump

03-Jul-2023 14:20:16

Vaush

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0ffice Hours said :
capn j a z z said :
It is unclear to me what the actual issue with the content here is. It seems mostly focused on inter-host drama, botting accusations (which we have avenues for), and a new host wanting a streamlined experience. I think it would help if someone would provide an explanation of the content problems that we are all vaguely trying to come up with "solutions" and "suggestions" for. Anyway here is the latest list of solutions, as compiled by rabbitmeds and vaush, which do relate to content:

- Add an option to preload marrentil on the burners. I had a conversation with Mod Ash about this on twitter and he agreed it was a good idea in order to reduce botting.
- Making a ledger in a second window on the ad. board. This would include how long a
player has been hosting in a game session and how much people have donated to hosts.
- Improving banning disruptive players from a player owned house (fixing current bugs, etc), maybe add a kick specific option?
- Improve clan functionality by removing the 500 person limit per clan.
- Expanding the advertising board to accommodate more players.
- expanding on the construction skill by adding skilling functions in home


I personally really like the skilling in house one which would be great for new and midgame players. Couldn't be overpowered of course but a great way to diversify poh functions too like a new host like lit altar could instead build their house layout focused on skilling help and fill a different niche. Just an idea!

Capn, in all that you post and write i just want to point out...
Damn son you are a good writer, i might not always agree but i do hope writing is related to your job or some ambition you pursue

These are the points that have been pushed this whole time and everyone agreed with. It’s due to trolls coming in and changing the topic to hide this summary. Ty cap for being so concise

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08-Jul-2023 04:13:22

capn j a z z

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0ffice Hours said :
capn j a z z said :
Anyway here is the latest list of solutions, as compiled by rabbitmeds and vaush, which do relate to content:

- Add an option to preload marrentil on the burners. I had a conversation with Mod Ash about this on twitter and he agreed it was a good idea in order to reduce botting.
- Making a ledger in a second window on the ad. board. This would include how long a
player has been hosting in a game session and how much people have donated to hosts.
- Improving banning disruptive players from a player owned house (fixing current bugs, etc), maybe add a kick specific option?
- Improve clan functionality by removing the 500 person limit per clan.
- Expanding the advertising board to accommodate more players.
- expanding on the construction skill by adding skilling functions in home


I personally really like the skilling in house one which would be great for new and midgame players. Couldn't be overpowered of course but a great way to diversify poh functions too like a new host like lit altar could instead build their house layout focused on skilling help and fill a different niche. Just an idea!

Capn, in all that you post and write i just want to point out...
Damn son you are a good writer, i might not always agree but i do hope writing is related to your job or some ambition you pursue

Thanks I hope you know I truly hope you get the traffic you aspire for, and I have checked to see if you're hosting when I use w330. I didn't want to respond to this and further digress from the topic, but since John and dmxt brought it back to naming & inter-host drama, I'll bring the list back and simultaneously respond that, yes, being a children's author has always been a dream of mine

Mods, I assume you see the many forum rules broken by John and dmxt.

08-Jul-2023 04:52:40

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