RuneScape Forum Archive | Regarding POH Community

Jun

2023

0ffice Hours

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Tuffty said :
I've just caught up on this thread and I've opted to remove a lot of posts to keep the peace.

You can't name and shame or accuse others of rule breaking. Some have and some have even quoted the replies.

Lets keep the topic on track. No need to name and shame or accuse others of anything. Also no need to name YouTube channels for suspect videos you may or may not have as proof of wrong doings.

Also removed 2 posts advertising another thread. You posted your Forums Login Session ID which could be a Security Risk for your account.

So back on topic please. Keep the thread civil and within the Rules and Guidelines.

Nothing of the last 2 pages has survived

ty for your hard work

02-Jul-2023 13:00:20

Jan

2003

Tuffty

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Sadly I came back and removed 2 more posts.

Please keep to the topic. Stop with the accusation accusing each other of botting or suggesting people are botting due to their low lvls.

This is not helping Jagex or this thread out at all.

Post and discuss your ideas and solutions by all means. But leave out the naming and shaming.

Again thanks for understanding. Comprehensive Account Security

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02-Jul-2023 14:58:19

capn j a z z

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Ok to try to rein things in like rabbitmeds tried before, where we were at in the meaningful conversation about the suggestions:

"Use the proper channels to report suspected botting. Let's not change a working part of the game as the means of reporting or addressing suspected botting. Let's also not inconvenience the majority of users of this part of the game (most hosts), as well as new and mid game players, to convolute the users' process."

"What we should focus on is counterpoints to my list above for why these suggestions wouldn't solve y'all's lack of traffic, why these suggestions would complicate early game needs and frustrate new players (who are hard enough to get into this game), and why a niche group of niche players' desire for more renown and a "level playing field" within that niche shouldn't warrant drastic changes to an established system, one of the few systems in this game I don't hear most players complain about (as opposed to dead content, wc/rc tho gotr and forestry are meant as solutions to that, wildy, etc the many things like barb assault and the brewing minigame that need/needed revivals).

I think that the current options y'all have are valid: report harassment (it's not harassment tho, when you engage in drama too, so use that Ignore button right after!), Report--dont accuse and engage in drama, and report all suspected bots. Those are the avenues we already have available, and drastic changes to the poh system negatively affects the majority of this niche host community, as well as new and midgame players now unable to get early game money helping out and having to sift through a list of non-established/new/potential troll hosts, and wouldn't solve the familiarity factor that is the biggest piece to y'all's lack of traffic"

02-Jul-2023 14:58:30

capn j a z z

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It is unclear to me what the actual issue with the content here is. It seems mostly focused on inter-host drama, botting accusations (which we have avenues for), and a new host wanting a streamlined experience. I think it would help if someone would provide an explanation of the content problems that we are all vaguely trying to come up with "solutions" and "suggestions" for. Anyway here is the latest list of solutions, as compiled by rabbitmeds and vaush, which do relate to content:

- Add an option to preload marrentil on the burners. I had a conversation with Mod Ash about this on twitter and he agreed it was a good idea in order to reduce botting.
- Making a ledger in a second window on the ad. board. This would include how long a
player has been hosting in a game session and how much people have donated to hosts.
- Improving banning disruptive players from a player owned house (fixing current bugs, etc), maybe add a kick specific option?
- Improve clan functionality by removing the 500 person limit per clan.
- Expanding the advertising board to accommodate more players.
- expanding on the construction skill by adding skilling functions in home

I personally really like the skilling in house one which would be great for new and midgame players. Couldn't be overpowered of course but a great way to diversify poh functions too like a new host like lit altar could instead build their house layout focused on skilling help and fill a different niche. Just an idea!

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02-Jul-2023 19:37:43

capn j a z z

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0ffice Hours said :

@capn
we are here on the forums because the "proper channels" obviously are not working/enough, that is the main purpose of this post.

If that were the main purpose of this post then this wouldn't be about POH content changes: it would basically be a "git gud" post for Jagex? Pushing this topic over & over in this section and implying their bot detection program is inferior to your assumptions is a sort of "git gud" for jagex, yes? Your evidence: that you believe there is botting going on.

There is a forum section for reporting suspected bots. Since this is on the "Old School Content Suggestions" section, let's stay focused on that. Please reply specifically to the list I provided above and only reply if you are responding to that--otherwise we continue to muddle this thread with off-topic pedantics. But to clear up the digressive confusion in the meantime:

0ffice Hours said :

As a lvl 99 maxed house host, there is alot more than just "the familiarity factor" that drives people, reason that i have posted above and mentioned multiple times before. The list of solutions is a very good starting point, only thing i miss is something that (LEVEL THE PLAYINGFIELD) makes it so that anyone that maanges to get lvl 99 construction and plays legit could make it as a host and not hit a wall

I'd rather we stay on topic about the suggestions, but to be clear, what besides having a maxed house would draw people to your house? Do you stream, do you have a clan, do you create content? In other words, why do you expect people to come to your house? A maxed house is a dime a dozen and they don't know your layout till they come, while they do know established hosts'. It's not fair to keep blaming suspected botting for the fact a maxed house is a dime a dozen on w330. And we've done this loop so many times that at this point it's redundant.

03-Jul-2023 02:11:10 - Last edited on 03-Jul-2023 02:17:08 by capn j a z z

capn j a z z

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(cont.) You've already stated your belief that you should have more traffic because you have a maxed house, like all the other hosts on the ad board. I've already stated that familiarity, community building, and time are the crucial elements. No one can level a playing field that's built on time. That's what's unique about time. And indeed a unique element of osrs is its commitment to the idea you HAVE to commit time to reach goals. Even with purported easyscape, things take a long time in this game heh. And I for one love it.

0ffice Hours said :

Hosting is fun, meeting alot of people and more but it should stay part of a game that can be played by anyone, not gated by people who make it their fulltime job and do everything they can to have the upperhand and protect it with any means necassary

I don't think it would be fair for Jagex to punish people who do treat hosting like a "full time job" just as it wouldn't be fair for them to punish hiscore leaders for playing this game like a full time job. If there is suspected botting or cheating for those hiscore leaders, we've already discussed the appropriate channels. However, content changes to make it easier for people with less time to "compete" with people with more time is contradictory to this game.

0ffice Hours said :

Just to finish my post, unlike everyone tries to slip in my shoes
I'm not here to make instant billions and be the number one
i'm here to have fun, play a game fairly but have a fair chance

Hosting is like a building a clan in this game, much more than it is like learning Inferno: no amount of content changes will make one person's clan that's struggling suddenly be more successful. There are no content changes to guarantee success in building a Twitch stream community, an in-game clan, nor a community of POH visitors.

Anyway, back to the topic at hand: see the list above, suggest potential additions or removals. Cheers!

03-Jul-2023 02:12:44