RuneScape Forum Archive | Regarding POH Community

Jan

2003

Tuffty

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1 User has been removed from the Forums for Real life threats towards Jagex, F-Mods and family by misquoting and editing in comments that were not there to begin with.

Back to topic. We will have no problems removing others if they keep trolling this thread.

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25-Jun-2023 15:20:49

Angry JohnoR

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Tuffty said :
1 User has been removed from the Forums for Real life threats towards Jagex, F-Mods and family by misquoting and editing in comments that were not there to begin with.

Back to topic. We will have no problems removing others if they keep trolling this thread.

You have been Warned.

Not sure what’s going on here why are there so many deleted posts? I’ll help point out posts that aren’t relevant if needed. This is a serious problem tbh.

I can’t believe people are trolling on this serious forum!

25-Jun-2023 15:40:32

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25-Jun-2023 15:43:12

Angry JohnoR

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capn j a z z said :
0ffice Hours said :
Jagex should look into somehow leveling the playingfield...

even if i keep running around and hosting there is no way for me to compete against:
- lighting bots so they are on almost 24/7
- advertising bots
- (til) advertisement board manipulation... (don't ask me how it works but somehow you can use (5?) alts to reshuffle the advertisement board and make sure you have the best spot

I will keep hosting to see if there are changes... but for now the imbalance makes it that my house has like 5-10 visitors per hour whilst being maxed and hosting daily

Again, this works off the assumption that just because your name is at the top of the ad board, people will suddenly stop using the hosts they've used for years, talked to, rely on, donated to out of appreciation, etc. I think you're really downplaying the role of familiarity, and not being patient with building a community. Think: why would someone pick your house if they have 3-4 hosts they already know? Is it the ad board? Is it the incense bots? I think that's an important thing to consider when accusing others of cheating as the reason you only get 5-10 people in. Make sure to engage with them, maybe make a clan, maybe stream. Good luck!

This is a good point. People will likely use their favorite hosts. Keep hosting and develop a community like everyone else. Nothing comes to lazy people so just be better at hosting.

25-Jun-2023 15:45:40

Jan

2003

Tuffty

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2 more posts removed. You are quoting posts I removed all ready.

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26-Jun-2023 08:36:33

Jun

2023

0ffice Hours

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Angry JohnoR said :
capn j a z z said :
0ffice Hours said :
Jagex should look into somehow leveling the playingfield...

even if i keep running around and hosting there is no way for me to compete against:
- lighting bots so they are on almost 24/7
- advertising bots
- (til) advertisement board manipulation... (don't ask me how it works but somehow you can use (5?) alts to reshuffle the advertisement board and make sure you have the best spot

I will keep hosting to see if there are changes... but for now the imbalance makes it that my house has like 5-10 visitors per hour whilst being maxed and hosting daily

Again, this works off the assumption that just because your name is at the top of the ad board, people will suddenly stop using the hosts they've used for years, talked to, rely on, donated to out of appreciation, etc. I think you're really downplaying the role of familiarity, and not being patient with building a community. Think: why would someone pick your house if they have 3-4 hosts they already know? Is it the ad board? Is it the incense bots? I think that's an important thing to consider when accusing others of cheating as the reason you only get 5-10 people in. Make sure to engage with them, maybe make a clan, maybe stream.

This is a good point. People will likely use their favorite hosts. Keep hosting and develop a community like everyone else. Nothing comes to lazy people so just be better at hosting.

Funny to see how all the people who are currently involved in the malpractice (and thus want to keep it running) stick to the "this is just how it works"

No, cheating/being toxic (check some of the usernames...) should not be the way how it works in osrs

To everyone in this forum please either address the problem, suggest solutions or make valid points why something shouldn't be addressed (not "get good&quot

Thanks to make and keep it constructive

26-Jun-2023 09:53:04

capn j a z z

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(I deleted the quote in case that accusatory comment is removed)

I have never hosted, except with friends for corp because I have a maxed house but that doesn't really count as hosting. So, no, my perspective is from the majority --people who used w330 to make early and mid game more enjoyable and who encourage new players to do the same.

I am not involved in any "malpractice: so far y'all's evidence of that is that "it's obvious" and the other guy posted some bot script he used, which does not incriminate anyone else. You went into batmans house and accused him, and your evidence was that he got upset by that.

My perspective, again, is that of the majority. What you are asking for is jagex to "level the playing field" for a niche part of a niche part of the community. This isn't even the majority of hosts asking for this. So it would be a niche of a niche.

My issue with these ideas is that we would be inconveniencing the majority, and what would be gained? So far the only benefit I've seen listed is more immediate success for you.

As a poh user, I often get annoyed when none of my regulars is on and I have to sift through the ad board till I find a layout that's usable. Having an overabundance of new, inexperienced hosts looking for a quick rapport would increase this inconvenience, as would many the ideas rabbitmeds enumerated. Also, new players would not be able to burn for gp, and idle hosts using alts would be punished based on allegations. Nothing wrong with doing 2 accounts at once.

27-Jun-2023 15:23:50 - Last edited on 27-Jun-2023 15:36:46 by capn j a z z

capn j a z z

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Use the proper channels to report suspected botting. Let's not change a working part of the game as the means of reporting or addressing suspected botting. Let's also not inconvenience the majority of users of this part of the game, as well as new and mid game players, to convolute the users' process. We like the w330 system for its conveniences ("easyscape rah rah" as people bemoaned when the idea was solidified), not as if hosting is something most people would want to do as main content in this game

27-Jun-2023 15:26:00

capn j a z z

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Sorry for triple post, but I would consider lit altar accusing others on this forum of being "currently involved in the malpractice" as against forum rules. There are proper ways to report suspected botting or whatever this malpractice is.

For context, lit altar, I got involved in this conversation not related to hosts at all. I'm only mentioning this part as context for my involvement in this discussion and to provide perspective, mods, but let me know if I need to edit at all: lit altar, I came to this thread through johnors Twitter posts about mod ash and jagex employees, and his recorded phone calls to "Jagex HQ." If you see my first comments I said I didn't have a strong opinion about the suggested POH ideas, tho I did about the harassment aspects. Over time though, especially from seeing your perspective as a reason to support these changes, I got more opinionated against them because it was clear it was a push, based on purported wrongdoing, to make changes that--from my perspective as a poh user--would inconvenience us. Only just the other day did I realize that some of rabbitmeds list would mean every time I go to w330 rimmington, I'd be sifting through names I don't recognize into houses I don't know work for me.

So, that's my journey to where I am at. Please don't accuse me or others of other things (that being said, I agree about the usernames, no clue how the one with "gay" as a derogatory term was allowed). Please keep your response civil, non-accusatory, and focused on the pros & cons of these suggestions for you and other players.

27-Jun-2023 15:35:56