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Dilbert2001
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Well is the borrowing of money directly related to the loss? Or are they separate concerns?

Meaning, was the loss due to the conglomerate using negative gearing to offset their other profits and then the whole buyout a completely separate idea after that benefit of the negative gearing was done for the tax year.

They are separate issues. But these issues together don't make the theory of a moneylosing company borrowing more money and paying a huge interest to acquire a company returning far less than the interest paid without a game CHANGING plan not very palatable. What makes you think that the interest will exceed the profit? They stated in one news release that they expect around a 7.7m ROI per year. That's quite a lot more than the 1.5m you're estimating that it would cost them for the loan.

Yes, they can expect a return of *7.7 million. I don't doubt it, but it may also mean they expect such a figure based on impending CHANGES. I don't doubt they can make *7.7 million out of Jagex next year, but I do believe CHANGES have to come. They can make a lot more than that too, but then there may be more CHANGES.

31-Mar-2016 11:56:19

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Dilbert, I think you missed the discussion on the mobile games. This is where I believe the changes will occur. Its too much of a risk to change the one game that hold Jagex's value.

There is a huge market for mobile games in China, largest or second largest in the world. Jagex have runescape idle adventures and Chronicle planned for release.

31-Mar-2016 12:21:18

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Dilbert, I think you missed the discussion on the mobile games. This is where I believe the changes will occur. Its too much of a risk to change the one game that hold Jagex's value.

There is a huge market for mobile games in China, largest or second largest in the world. Jagex have runescape idle adventures and Chronicle planned for release.

I don't intend to discuss things purely on speculations. Yes, one can crunch the numbers and find out it is only logical Honda has to come with a game changing plan to Jagex to justify the cost of the acquisition and their expectation going forward. But what change(s)? Well, at this point there is no official words at all. New income streams from new locations, license fees, mobile business, new customers to the current rs3/old school, new business model, more revenue from cash shop, higher subscription fee, etc etc etc... And money saved from cost reduction... There are many possibilities but none of them should bother anybody who plays to enjoy the game until they are officially revealed.

31-Mar-2016 12:53:09

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Then what have you been doing? Speculating. "Its only logical" is speculation.

Your here, speculating that everything will go badly. Why?
You blatantly ignore any reasoning that shows you might not be right.

Fear mongering doesn't really belong here.

31-Mar-2016 13:02:26 - Last edited on 31-Mar-2016 13:03:04 by Tclcis

Dilbert2001
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Then what have you been doing? Speculating. "Its only logical" is speculation.

Your here, speculating that everything will go badly. Why?
You blatantly ignore any reasoning that shows you might not be right.

Fear mongering doesn't really belong here.

All I speculated based on LOGICAL and OFFICIAL numbers are CHANGES are going to come to Jagex. I did not speculate on what they are, let alone them being all bad or good.

The fear mongers are the ones who scared themselves.

31-Mar-2016 13:09:12

Dilbert2001
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Speculation is speculation, logical or not.

And numbers can be very misleading.

Maybe you should just stick to stating facts. Then you can be sure.

I already posted the FACTS, and I was the FIRST and ONLY ONE who brought the FACTS to this forum - all Jagex shareholders have agreed to sell their states to Shandong Honda when they receive $100 million by April 30.

I gave my reason based purely on OFFICIAL numbers released on my ONLY forecast. I did give my reason, unlike somebody pulled something illogical out of thin air like "Ted is not selling his stakes, Jagex won't be sold" or "I promise nothing will be changed".

I never said I am sure about anything except the FACT on the agreement current Jagex shareholders and Hon*a signed. If you want others to believe what you are sure will happen then stick to stating facts YOURSELF but I have yet to see anything FACT from you.

31-Mar-2016 13:21:37 - Last edited on 31-Mar-2016 13:22:33 by Dilbert2001

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[Yes, they can expect a return of *7.7 million. I don't doubt it, but it may also mean they expect such a figure based on impending CHANGES. I don't doubt they can make *7.7 million out of Jagex next year, but I do believe CHANGES have to come. They can make a lot more than that too, but then there may be more CHANGES. The 7.7m was their estimate based on Jagex's financials for last year. It isn't how much they expect Jagex to profit, it's how much they expect their quarterly dividends to pay out. So long as Jagex preforms the same as they did last year, they can get their estimated profits without making any changes at all.

That isn't to say they will or will not make any changes, just that they don't need to make any changes to reach their estimated profits.
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31-Mar-2016 23:14:04

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I already posted the FACTS, and I was the FIRST and ONLY ONE who brought the FACTS to this forum No you weren't, and no you aren't. You didn't even join this discussion until there were already 63 pages already posted. And you didn't post anything on the previous thread. There were countless people digging up and posting facts before you even joined the discussion.
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31-Mar-2016 23:17:53

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In the absence of J-Mods, this thread is starting to go in circles.

It's been over two weeks since they posted this update. A further update would be nice - heck, I'd settle for a
'We're still listening, but have nothing new to add'
, just so we know they haven't abandoned the thread.

01-Apr-2016 00:37:07

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