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Nabu Rimanni

Nabu Rimanni

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Runescape just went Pay to Win.

Thanks JAGEX, for being greedy and then saying "It get's rid of bots."

God, I am disappointed.
RuneScape is not going to be pay-to-win. Having good items without having invested the time into knowing how to use them effectively will still leave you at a disadvantage.

Bonds do not instantly increase your XP and skills. Everyone has to put in time and effort to progress their account and earn XP.

You are saying you are justified in selling bonds because bonds don't directly buy xp.

That is insufficient. Bonds buy items which are convertible to xp. Many skills will now be buyable with real money, like herblore for exampe. Few will be exempt, like summoning since charms are needed. But even for those players will be able to buy armor and weapons to gather charms faster.

25-Sep-2013 22:11:28

SlayLifeAway
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SlayLifeAway

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Yes, yes you JMods, jump through the hoops and try getting away with loopholes like IVP tells you to. Everybody will learn soon enough when this game is completely dead. It's already 70% of the way there. Now you know, how to kill a brand.

25-Sep-2013 22:11:59 - Last edited on 25-Sep-2013 22:13:34 by SlayLifeAway

Postanou

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"Our rules on real world trading have not changed. The current rules state that game items must only be exchanged for other items or services within the game. Bonds are an in-game item in this respect and work the same way as any other item on the Grand Exchange."


So you add an extra step & call it legitimate through some sort of loophole?

This tactic was predicted by the community years ago when SoF first came out. SoF was bad enough that real life cash could be spent didrectly on in-game items, but now you have just plainly made it so people can buy gold with real cash.

How will this stabilise the Runescape economy?? More & more players are going to buy bonds with real cash (more microtransactions & profit for Jagex & its shareholders btw) and this will continue to inflate the economy. High-end gear will spiral out of reach of the average player, unless they spend real money to buy it.

Good one Jagex. I don't care what spin you put on this, you have NOT made a "brilliant" move against gold farmers, you have just pushed yourself in as a replacement. Gold farming will get worse as more players will farm GP in-game so as to buy Bonds for whatever reason. Yay.

I have never bought GP from anywhere, nor have I wasted my money on your SoF. The only thing I waste my money on is an on-going membership (have a look at how long I have been a continuous member for)
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And now I find out that Jagex has know that 40% of the community has broken the rules & yet they go unpunished. Why bother with rules Jagex? Just be done with it & sell botting programs for real cash as well.

When that happens, I'll be finally done with this game too.

25-Sep-2013 22:14:20 - Last edited on 25-Sep-2013 22:16:01 by Postanou

Araxxor

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A clear, accesible survey should suffice to settle this. Like the Free trade and OSRS surveys. If we vote no, it goes, if we vote yes, it stays. The year of the player right?

Indeed. Let us vote it off, or I'll never return.

No no no, it's year of the payer.

25-Sep-2013 22:14:52

smoggysalmon

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- "Jagex are not selling gold and have no intention of doing so. The introduction of bonds does not result in any new gold being added into the game. This new system allows players to control the movement of their wealth, and the benefits within the game. Players can trade bonds for an item at the price they decide and this moves wealth within the player economy without creating or injecting new gold into this economy."
I can see that you have no intention of selling gold as this updates main aims were to combat several issues including that of real world trading and I do see the benefits of this update, but I believe the problems you have addressed should have been approached in a different way as I'm afraid that you are supplying the opportunity for people to trade their real life money for game money legitimately. which is bad in many obvious reasons, the first being the danger of people overspending their real money for currency in this (lets be honest) addictive game. The second reason is this flies in the face of what many player including I believed was one of Jagex's main policies - no real world trading, a huge contributing factor to me choosing this game over the countless others on the internet was I believed that everyone had equal opportunity in gaining both money and xp through hard work, now this update completely favours those who have enough real world capital to spend on gp. Hopefully the in game community will be smart enough not to buy these bonds and so decrease the worth of these bonds. As far as i see the only benefit will be to Jagex, but please correct me if I am seeing this wrong

25-Sep-2013 22:16:45

Nabu Rimanni

Nabu Rimanni

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They're not really selling gold, guys. Their concern is money being artificially injected into the game via gold farmers. By introducing bonds, players can now buy them and then sell them for gold, yes - but in the process, no money is being injected into the in-game economy.

Injecting gp into the economy is a red herring. When players bought gp from goldfarmers, that didn't inject money into the game either.

The problem is that players can now buy gp with real money. Whereas before it was against the rules to buy gp, now you can buy gp and it's within the rules.

Cheating is cheating, it doesn't matter what the game is. If runescape is supposed to be a game, it should abide by the rules of all games, and one of those rules is you can't buy your way to winning.

25-Sep-2013 22:16:51

SoftMints

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Slight de-tour from the topic, but I don't think it's about being able to afford to buy bonds with real money. I think it's a rip-off, and so are ALL runescape microtransactions, in my opinion. I don't buy this stuff, not because it's too expensive, but because it's a waste of money.

A millionaire for example may choose not to spend 20k on some nice shoes, not necessarily because he/she cannot afford it, but because it's a waste of money, and so decides it's best allocated elsewhere.

In the same way, not all rich (irl) players will buy this rubbish.

25-Sep-2013 22:17:57

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