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Mystic Monad
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Mystic Monad

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Started to notice bots reappearing at all the dragons - need to get rid of them since these are the same ones the bonds are supposed to get rid of gold farming bots.
Let me explain it for you:
They are now farming the gold to buy the bonds from the GE, which they then sell on their sites for real cash (and they throw in the geepee to pay the 10% ''tax'' to make it tradeable again)

Yep, workin' like a charm, huh Crow ?
Aside from the fact that this makes no sense at all, I just hope the gold farmers are stupid enough to buy bonds with the RS gold their bots produce.

If they do, they are competing with themselves.

* The more bonds are bought on the GE, the higher the GE price of bonds go.
* The higher the GE price of bonds go, the more competitive they are with gold farmer prices.

Wouldn't it be fun if the gold farmers helped to price themselves out of the market! ^_^

02-Oct-2013 00:32:23

A Hebrew

A Hebrew

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I came on RuneScape to see the latest RWT scheme Jagex came up with (first visit in months), and I am pleased to see that they are still throwing this once-great game in the gutter.

This bond thing is just another stepping stone for Jagex to sell gold out-right. Remember how the Squeal of Fortune started as just something you could do twice a day then eventually you could buy it? Remember how Solomon's would never sell anything that could help your account? You guys are all getting Jagex'ed and it will never stop until you just say no to it.

Thank you Jagex.

02-Oct-2013 04:27:02 - Last edited on 02-Oct-2013 04:28:54 by A Hebrew

Darelzel

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Banning 40% of the playerbase would be not be a good thing to do, seeing as how the playerbase has diminished dramatically over the past year or so.

So they're taking a different approach, targeting not just the supply part of gold farming, but the demand as well.

I'm hoping this will work.

02-Oct-2013 17:55:42

Sereg

Sereg

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I can't speak for the rest of the former playerbase, and I don't how representative my reasons for leaving are of those who left within the past year or two.

However, for what it's worth, I did leave because of Jagex's open support of the Pay2Win model by selling Spins.

I guarantee you that if Jagex permanently banned that 40% of players who actively engaged in the destruction of their game and its community, I'd be back in a heartbeat.

And do they really want to not only retain a group of players that flaunted their rules and actively contributed to undermining their game, but actually embrace them and their play style?

The answer, sadly, is evidently yes.
Carve our dreams in sanguine stone/Strength corporeal and of mind
Walls of our flesh, bricks of our bone/Deadly intent to defend our kind

02-Oct-2013 21:49:17

Musicianship

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I played this game since 2005. The year I entered university was the year I quit. Then I just kept reading "important updates" in which Jagex ultimately was digging his own hole throughout the years. Is like EVERY IMPORTANT "updates" are non-reasonable for players. Jagex, we don't need to understand you. You need to understand how players think. How can a CEO make such a stupid decision of turning a great game to this piece of crap! Few years ago I actually wanted to pay money for this game. But now, no. Just no.

03-Oct-2013 00:44:39 - Last edited on 03-Oct-2013 00:51:08 by Musicianship

Mystic Monad
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Mystic Monad

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I guarantee you that if Jagex permanently banned that 40% of players who actively engaged in the destruction of their game and its community, I'd be back in a heartbeat.

And do they really want to not only retain a group of players that flaunted their rules and actively contributed to undermining their game, but actually embrace them and their play style?

The answer, sadly, is evidently yes.
The answer, sadly, is that they don't have much choice. Here's a JMod response to a similar statement in a different thread:

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We've tried banning them, at one point if you even looked at a goldfarmer funny you got banned. It didn't stop the gold farmers, they were still there. Players still bought and gold farmers still farmed gold. We have to make a stand to stop it dead in its tracks.
They've already tried "getting tough" with players who buy gold. It just didn't work.

03-Oct-2013 03:06:14

Sereg

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They've already tried "getting tough" with players who buy gold. It just didn't work.

Then they either weren't consistent enough, or didn't have strong enough detection tools at the time.

With the statistics they've cited, it seems like their detection tools are now capable enough. If they can identify 40% of the player base as having engaged in RWT, they can ban 40% of the player base for having engaged in RWT.

If those players come back on new accounts, or new players begin to RWT, they need to continue to ban them.

I assure you, people will stop buying gold if they continue to wake up banned the day after.
Carve our dreams in sanguine stone/Strength corporeal and of mind
Walls of our flesh, bricks of our bone/Deadly intent to defend our kind

03-Oct-2013 03:30:06

Mystic Monad
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Mystic Monad

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They've already tried "getting tough" with players who buy gold. It just didn't work.

Then they either weren't consistent enough, or didn't have strong enough detection tools at the time.

With the statistics they've cited, it seems like their detection tools are now capable enough. If they can identify 40% of the player base as having engaged in RWT, they can ban 40% of the player base for having engaged in RWT.

If those players come back on new accounts, or new players begin to RWT, they need to continue to ban them.

I assure you, people will stop buying gold if they continue to wake up banned the day after.
You really can't ban 40-50% of your player base and have a viable game. Jagex does need customers, and if it sends nearly half of them packing, it's not going to be able to survive as a business.

Besides, I think you're probably wrong. Gold sellers will still keep selling gold, and players will keep buying it. It may not be the same players as before, but a steady stream of new players will come in, buy gold, and get banned.

And they'll all walk away hating Runescape, and telling their friends that this game sucks.

Like it or not Jagex has tried every other alternative. People keep saying it should have done this and it should have done that. And the fact is that it has done "this" or "that," and it just didn't work. Yes, it decreased the botting and cheating. But gold sellers just kept right on selling gold, updating their bots and changing their tactics as needed.

You just can't fight human nature.

Jagex finally recognized that. It's really not Jagex's fault. It's just the stubborn fact that people want to make money by fair means or foul, and people want an easier and more enjoyable game experience and are willing to pay money for that.

03-Oct-2013 12:28:40

Ukuduku

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^ I agree with you Mystic Monad

It's a fact of human nature that people seek an easier faster way of doing something to get to the end result. Some people don't realise the journey is often the best bit!

People always try to cheat at computer games... get codes for infinite lives and so on... so they can complete the game.

My feeling is... what is the point of doing so? I would not feel any sense of achievement if I'd turned on cheat mode and got to the end that way...

But not everyone is like me. Some people want some Torva and they want it now. Sure they could go collect d bones for days and days (weeks?), but they do not want to put in the work.

03-Oct-2013 12:51:28

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