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Morytania Lt

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Just unsubscribed. This was the final straw for me.

But I suppose it doesn't matter Jagex, as your profits from indirectly selling gold to players will cover any financial losses from people unsubscribing.

This made me laugh so hard, no constructive criticism at all.

30-Sep-2013 05:55:14

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Just unsubscribed. This was the final straw for me.

But I suppose it doesn't matter Jagex, as your profits from indirectly selling gold to players will cover any financial losses from people unsubscribing.

This made me laugh so hard, no constructive criticism at all.




Unless I am mistaken, the comment "This was the final straw for me" suggests that, since it is in the thread announcing the introduction of bonds, that the bonds are why he is leaving. Seems pretty straight forward to me. Jagex has been headed here since the introduction of the SoF and since this is the direction Jagex has chosen to go with the game and regardless what he or anybody here says they will continue their current path he has decided to quit.

His getting fed up and quitting IS his final constructive criticism. Perhaps I should have posted on one of the micro-transaction threads that were most current at the time I quit that it was the final straw for me but I didn't want to deal with all the "cool story bro" "see you next week" and all the other stupid comments these forum posters like to toss when you say goodbye

Don't hate on him just because his ethics just happen to be higher than yours, wish him happiness and be happy for him.

30-Sep-2013 06:17:35

Nihilus7

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make bronze-gold bonds

bronze bond gives option of 14 days membership, 8 spins or 160 RuneCoins.

silver bond gives option of 20 day membership, 12-16 spins or 200-250 Runecoins.

gold bond gives option of 25-30 days membership, 16-25 spins or 230-300 Runecoins.

bronze bonds 5$ each like now

silver bonds 6-10$ each

gold bond 10-15$ each


This is a terrible idea. Bonds in and of themselves was a ****** idea in the first place, but to make bond tiers is simply ********.

You might get slightly more gold for a 'gold bond' than you would for the 'bronze bond', but because of the fact that they aren't rare or difficult to obtain still means their price will drop. If this were in place my guess would be gold bonds would run 2x as much as bronze bonds. Given the current market that is 12-14mil per bond for 2x the dollar value.

I won't even factor in the 15$ evaluation because its stupid. Who is going to pay nearly twice as much as the current fee is for a single month of member. Not realistic in any way.

Anyway back on point, the tier system still wouldn't solve anything. If they wanted to 'reward' players with millions and billions of gp (like thats some feat) a simple NPC that sold these rewards would have sufficed. It would have also removed gp from circulation.

As for gold sellers this tier system for bonds would only make matters worse. Assuming 'gold bonds' run for 12-14mil for 10$, and I wanted to buy them from jagex to gift to someone, I could buy more than enough gold from the gold sellers to buy at least one. The difference is I would only have to pay 5$. Basically, as it is already, I could buy 2 bonds for the same dollar value if I bought the gold from a seller and then bought the bonds from a player.

From another angle I could buy myself 2x as much gold from the same dollar value if I buy from a gold seller, and save the time spent trying to sell bonds to someone.

30-Sep-2013 06:50:30

Wyndd Walker
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Wyndd Walker

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It finally happened. The logins are down below 25k! I was around when they REACHED 25k. And also when they averaged between 100k and 200k.

How the mighty jagex has fallen. Who is ultimately at fault? Mark Gerhard, and his friends at IVP.

30-Sep-2013 09:28:32

Iskra
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Iskra

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How long is it before Jagex stops stepping on their players in the name of "Anti-Goldfarming"?

Surly, the players who are the people who actually make the game deserve to be consulted to some degree... And not simply cherrypicking out people who follow Jagex's words and praise them in all their updates, but maybe people who have some alternate views.

I understand the effect that Gold farming has on the Runescape economy, but is it that much of a problem for normal players? Yes, prices of goods increase (only the more expensive goods anyway) and its unfair to a degree, but in reality it doesn't effect as many players as will be affected by these updates. In reality, all they are doing is trying to take the wealth that is going to the gold farmers, we know they just want the money, and its sad that its gotten to this.


Its also sad to think that the community has become watered down, all of the previous 'money-making' updates have already killed off many of the people who would have contested the updates, so much so that there is no backlash at all. Back only a few years ago, if an update like this happened there would have been in game protesting and whatnot. Then again, Jagex have never really been known to be influenced by their players, and often the in game protesting came to nothing.

In reality, as a player of nearly 8 years, i would rather see a return to balanced trade that the current efforts they are doing now.

Even so, i think some kind of protest would be good to see to the extent of players who disagree, and they are kinda fun. :)

30-Sep-2013 09:51:25

Tali Zorah
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Tali Zorah

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So... Assuming all players involved are maxed with the same level of knowledge

Player A buys 1000 bonds and sells them to player B.

Player A now has 7bil, or W.e the value is.

Player C did not purchase any bonds to sell.

Player A now has an ingame advantage over Player C due to Irl wealth.

Good job Jagex..

Italics=edit for clarity.



Since you never answered my amended statement.. I'll give it again :)

Just going to keep doing until i get a reasonable answer :D

EDIT: Oh, advantage in the form of being able to level skills faster due to a higher bank value, so things like prayer, herblore etc. Ability to buy the best gear to gain an advantage in pvm and pvp scenarios. If you can use a rune scimmy, you can use drygores. If you can use a wand, you can use seismics.
I've lost my arrow. Have you seen it? It's been on my mind a lot lately...

30-Sep-2013 12:23:48

nilsea
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nilsea

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Bonds are a good thing. We don't have to spend money on this game any more so if you really do believe it wont last much longer you can play for free.


but someone has to buy the bond for you to play in p2p world for free, so someone has to break and buy into the scheme.

30-Sep-2013 17:27:52

Hopefullmagi

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I stopped playing a while back but I occasionally check back to see if there's anything to return for. This might work but I have a few numerical concerns:

A) at a price of 15m you're cheaper off (IRL currency) to buy gold from a gold farming website which you use to buy bonds.
However Judging by MMOs that have already implemented this system of buying your subscription with in-game cash from other players, I would estimate the price of these bonds will settle at around 10hours worth of moneymaking at mid-level. When I still played, that would be around 30m which is competitive with goldfarmers.

B) Goldfarmers will buy bonds (with gp) to pay for their own subscription, which greatly reduces their cost to farm gold and as such will again make them cheapr to buy from, making A more concering again. At least this will get jagex money.

C) Goldfarmers will buy bonds (with gp) to sell to players to undercut regular membership subscriptions. Since bonds are more expensive than regular membership when they are created this will, again, net jagex more money.

All in all it looks like goldfarmers will probably profit by this, but only in a way that earns jagex money.

Please note: it is mathematically impossible for this to remove goldfarming to any large extent since goldfarmers from now on have no (IRL) cost of production, since they upkeep their golfarming with in-game money (of which they have plenty).

What it does do is open up rwt to a larger market, so you no longer have to break the law or endanger your security to buy your unfair advantage. Also it ends up getting jagex more money.

All in all, I actually approve, and surprised myself in doing so. There was very little "fair" in RS to begin with in my opinion, so I don't care that jagex is RWTing or that people will "buy with irl money what I worked ages for to achieve! *boohoo*".
Sounds harsh, but I believe achievements are earned through merit, not slogging.
I wouldn't use bonds myself.

30-Sep-2013 17:44:47

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