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Attacking001

Attacking001

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I guess to finalize my say in this issue is what I always say when people complain about website updates.
You don't walk into someone else's house and complain that they redecorated and expect them to cater to you. It's their house, they can do whatever they want with it.
For people who say "well I pay to be here so they need to make me happy"...
You don't go to a hotel and complain that the room isn't set up exactly as you like it, or that the pool renovation doesn't please you, and expect them to change it. It's their hotel. They will just tell you to leave.

Stop being crybabies and deal with the change. Jagex is TRYING to solve the issues at hand, but they can't change human nature. Either accept it and work around it in a way that pleases you, or go do something else with your time. You aren't required to be here, they aren't required to give you what you want.

The fact that they are even addressing an issue that they don't really see a dramatic profit loss from shows that they care about you.

Stop bitching.
yes but at the same time if jagex doesn't listen to any feedback that they get (and it seems like they don't) and they keep going in the direction they are going this game is gonna die. It's like if you run a hotel and everyone keeps complaining about stuff and you never fix anything and things keep getting worse you will eventually lose business and close down.
Personally I think with something like this I think they should have ran if by the players before releasing it.

\Maybe they could select a certain amount of dedicated players (moderators, members but free players as well) and let them test out their new features? Some feedback of the test bunnies is a must of course.

30-Sep-2013 00:04:44 - Last edited on 30-Sep-2013 00:07:09 by Attacking001

Aced Heart

Aced Heart

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let's be realistic, idk why every1 is blaming Jagex.. 40% of players in game brought gold, you see low lvls with prayer and herb cape all the time, thats whats really keeping the gold farming sites alive. I'm 100% sure many people who posted their complains about how bad RWT is have also brought gold from illegal sites before. Instead of complaining maybe you all should try to pvp or pvm 100m gold in game and enjoy the one year membership, or get a legendary pet. Just another small town scrub

30-Sep-2013 00:11:13

Wacky Farmer
Jul Member 2007

Wacky Farmer

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make bronze-gold bonds

bronze bond gives option of 14 days membership, 8 spins or 160 RuneCoins.

silver bond gives option of 20 day membership, 12-16 spins or 200-250 Runecoins.

gold bond gives option of 25-30 days membership, 16-25 spins or 230-300 Runecoins.

bronze bonds 5$ each like now

silver bonds 6-10$ each

gold bond 10-15$ each Give a man a fish and you feed him for a day; teach a man to fish and you feed him for a lifetime.

30-Sep-2013 00:38:43

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let's be realistic, idk why every1 is blaming Jagex.. 40% of players in game brought gold, you see low lvls with prayer and herb cape all the time, thats whats really keeping the gold farming sites alive. I'm 100% sure many people who posted their complains about how bad RWT is have also brought gold from illegal sites before. Instead of complaining maybe you all should try to pvp or pvm 100m gold in game and enjoy the one year membership, or get a legendary pet.


Why are they/we blaming Jagex? Because Jagex, as Jagex themselves claim, knew who and how many were doing this but did nothing to stop them. Jagex, as Jagex themselves claim, knew who was botting and/or goldfarming and did nothing to stop them. Players with little integrity are by their very nature going to cheat and we do blame them, but Jagex themselves claim to have known all this all along and chose not to act. Who is the bigger villain here those pre-disposed by nature/nurture to cheat or those that enable them?

30-Sep-2013 00:58:46

kid-kiddy

kid-kiddy

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Hi,

What make me realy angry is not the bots or that you want to make more money

It's that you take people for morons ! With a video where you say in a serious way that you are realy have made this system against bots , gold sellers

Serious ...

This is more a money making system than a real anti-bot system !
between us , what i realy think when you was thinking this system , the real goal
was money and not realy a anti-bot system

This will never stop the gold farmers , the reason has already been given by the players

This will ruine more the game !the game is already ruined because your lust of money !

This system can be returned against you !
This is not a new system , you have not created this system , some other mmorpg games already have this

I have see what this system have done to other games ...this has not stop the gold sellers
This is has just ruined more the game !

The gold sellers will use this system to subscriber their bots , there whil be more bots now in the members worlds
Or they gonna change they price so they can get 2x more customers than before !

There will be more hacks and scamming , a easy way to do money , scammers and hackers have now a easy way to subscribe

This will make problems for many parents , addicted children are gonna steal they parents credit card , so they can buy many bonds to become rich in RS

Price by methode payment not realy equitable

...

You have already found the best anti-bot , anti-scamm and anti-begging system

That was by taking off the free-trade !

If you want to do a maximum of money , try to couple this system and by taking off the free-trade

And please don't take your customers ( players ) for morons or sheeps next time

Thank you

P.s i boycott now all jagex games or Insight Ventur's Partner's product , until you take off this system or that you take off the free trade

We are stronger together !

30-Sep-2013 02:17:31

Mystic Monad
May Member 2005

Mystic Monad

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Why are they/we blaming Jagex? Because Jagex, as Jagex themselves claim, knew who and how many were doing this but did nothing to stop them. Jagex, as Jagex themselves claim, knew who was botting and/or goldfarming and did nothing to stop them. Players with little integrity are by their very nature going to cheat and we do blame them, but Jagex themselves claim to have known all this all along and chose not to act. Who is the bigger villain here those pre-disposed by nature/nurture to cheat or those that enable them?
Jagex has, in fact, done all of the things people accuse them of not doing, including banning massive numbers of gold farmer accounts and banning many accounts of ordinary players who buy gold.

But you just can't ban 40-50% of your player base.

Jagex has, in fact, done just about everything humanly possible to stem the tide of RWT while maintaining its previous idealistic stance, quoted numerous times here and on other threads from the old Runescape rules. They've thrown thousands of hours and huge amounts of money at the problem.

But the fact is, any player who wants to can still easily buy RS gold from illegal third-party sites.

The fact is, neither Jagex nor any other game company with a major multi-player online game that has a player-to-player economy has been able to stop the gold sellers based on the idealistic notion that they can stop players from buying gold.

Folks can scream and yell all they want. The real choices are:

1. Jagex can keep trying, and keep failing, to stop players from buying gold, and there will still be over a hundred billion in gold purchased every single day.

2. Jagex can provide a less destructive way for players to obtain in-game gold for real-world money, undercutting the gold farmers business and causing less corruption for the game.

Jagex has finally decided to be realistic and pragmatic, and go with the second option. That's what bonds are all about.

30-Sep-2013 04:33:23

Padbury

Padbury

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Just unsubscribed. This was the final straw for me.

But I suppose it doesn't matter Jagex, as your profits from indirectly selling gold to players will cover any financial losses from people unsubscribing.

30-Sep-2013 04:48:28

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@Mystic Monad


Jagex have said themselves that they know A.) Who is botting/goldfarming and B.) Who is buying from goldfarmers. They have further said they have NOT taken action on many of the accounts that have bought RSGP from these goldfarmers (purely for financial reasons off course) and I can personally say from personal experience (I tracked an entire "bot family" for several months and watched as they fished away that entire time virtually un-******** by Jagex even though they had only fishing leveled up and well into the 80's and 90's fishing level wise with NO OTHER SKILLS IN HIGH SCORES) that they did nothing to stop the goldfarmers and let them get completely out of control to the point they couldn't regain control later.

If Jagex had banned them as they were discovered it would never have gotten so out of control in the first place. If players can so easily detect bots you would surely think access to server logs and server data bases would make bot detection all that much easier wouldn't you? We players don't get to see all the unbalanced trades, we players have to look at the high scores list which DOES NOT show us ALL XP for ALL skills (we can only see the level/XP for the one skill the bots trains), we players can see consistencies in paths travelled, we players can't see whether or not the suspected bot EVER does anything besides the task the bot was built to perform yet WE CAN detect bots when Jagex with access to ALL of that information and the bot detection methods they claim to have appear to NOT BE ABLE to detect them. You don't find this odd? You don't think we are being lied to?

Jagex has a very long history of lying to us and to be certain I have since come to the conclusion that IF MMG comes out to speak to us directly, it is always lies he spouts.

Perhaps one day you will come to see things the way they really are rather than the way you would wish them to be. When that day comes, look me up, until then enjoy your rose tinted view.

30-Sep-2013 05:07:50

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