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3mptylord
Jul Member 2023

3mptylord

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I'm going to assume that it's no longer possible to purchase Rune Coins and spins with money directly - you have to purchase Bonds. A lack of incentive was the issue I had with the main body of the post.

But in essence - these are like gems in Diablo/Guild Wars (I forget which)? You use gems to buy cosmetic items and gems have both a gold and $£ value.

27-Sep-2013 00:01:08 - Last edited on 27-Sep-2013 00:02:46 by 3mptylord

PaxAutemNox
Jan Member 2008

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I redeemed a bond earlier today that I had purchased on the Grand Exchange, and received a message from the billing center saying that they "received my payment"? Can anyone please confirm or deny that this was a redundant message, and that I wasn't actually billed for this? Unique, just like everyone else.

27-Sep-2013 00:18:09

Rondstat

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I don't understand all the people making this membership=rwt argument.

By buying membership, you aren't paying for an advantage over other players. You aren't paying for status. You're paying for ACCESS to the game. Sure, members have much better opportunities for skilling than f2p, but that's because they're not playing the same game . The questlines, the areas, the skills, the activities - 99% of what I do as a member simply does not exist in the f2p world. It's functionally a different game.

Bonds are different. You don't buy bonds to access a new 'level' of Runescape. You buy them to gain an advantage. Buy a few bonds -> Nex gear. Buy a few bonds -> 99construction. Wealth and the levels it can buy are no longer a symbol of how good or how veteran a player you are. It's a function of how much money you're willing to spend.

And if you don't have a problem with that, well, more power to you I guess.

27-Sep-2013 00:22:16

Xt
Jan Member 2024

Xt

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This is the update I was waiting for Jagex.

The one I can use as a reason, on top of awful past year or so worth of updates, to justify to all my friends why I don't want to be part of this game anymore.

You've admitted you wouldn't ban people who bought gold despite being aware of it. You're made RWT support official, using goldfarmers as a shallow excuse.

It's such a freaking embarrassment. I hope you're ashamed of yourself.

I hope never to have to deal with your products anymore.

Thanks for the 9 years nonetheless.

27-Sep-2013 00:31:36

MastressMeow

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I honestly don't understand the concept of these bonds at all. I have done a lot of reading, but it really doesn't matter to me one way or another.

The thing that has always bothered me more than anything is the integrity of the high scores and the players who have these scores. This specifically looks at botting and RWT for the "money skills"; all the things this bond thing is supposed to curtail.

I have always wondered how many people above me in a high score of any given skill have cheated their way above me. By no means am I some ultra Runescape player, but I take pride in my lifetime of Runescape playing.

I guess the point I am making is, this bond thing seems to just look towards the future with no emphasis on the past transgressions of the "40-50?" RWT involved member playing base. When will the time come for them to be held accountable for their actions and adjustments be made in the high scores tables? It just seems that everything about this is "lets forget the past and talk about the future". Any sins from the past will quietly be swept under the carpet, forgotten about, and never to be discussed again. And I suppose this is great for Jagex to keep 40-50% of their member base happy, and I suppose it's even better for the players who have made their career on RWT and botting. But, it really sucks to know that this is basically "the end" of ever hoping for true, honest justice to the cheaters in our game.

27-Sep-2013 00:37:14

Mystic Monad
May Member 2005

Mystic Monad

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The private property of somebody's house is a very poor analogy for the collectively owned, member-funded, member-shaped MMORPG that we are all a part of. People aren't crying or bitching as far as I can see within this thread, people are making sensible and valid comments or criticisms.

To entertain your analogy if I went to a hotel and half way through my stay something was changed that I was not told of before paying, I certainly would complain. If a member of this game has paid for membership a couple of weeks ago and the game is turned upside down suddenly, it would be personally acceptable for that person to either want a partial refund, an apology, or a reversion of the change.

@ Mystic Nomad, players receive something that can only be obtained via real-life cash in exchange for R

Runescape is not collectively owned. It is 100% owned by Jagex. Jagex owns every single thing in the game, including your character, your character's items, your character's stats, and everything else you loosely think of as "yours." In fact, you do not own any of it. Jagex does. And you rent it from Jagex. When it comes to ownership, there's nothing "collective" about it.

Hotels generally rent rooms on an "at will" basis--meaning that either the tenant or the landlord (the hotel owner) can terminate the implied contract at will. Tenants are sometimes, but not always, entitled to a refund of any remaining rent they paid, depending on the circumstances. If a hotel wants to engage in renovations, it has no obligation to get permission from its tenants first. If they don't like it, they can leave.

Your RS membership is something in-game that can only (up until now) be obtained for real-life cash. Is that RWT? So far, bonds can only be used for RS-related benefits. It would be quite difficult to make real-world cash with bonds.

27-Sep-2013 00:42:34

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I really don't see how this is going to stop gold farming. As long as gold farmers sell their gold cheaper than bonds it'll continue. Also there's the ever important option of letting us trade ingame wealth to an npc for bonds for possible a 10-20% fee which not only would create a massive money sink, which is non-existant, so basically the entire system revolves around buying an item was at one point bought with real world money.

I feel like this update will peter out sooner rather than later, well at least it won't be a sof type deal.

If 40-50% of the playerbase are buying gold, then you guys should really start a campaign against gold buying and start making public examples out of people buying gold.

I feel like let's say the bonds are bought for 5 bucks each and are worth 1m each, then the gold farmers are still going to be going full steam if they charge less than 5 bucks for 1m gold. The entire value of these things will come from how much membership will be worth, and honestly I expect each bond to be worth very little after the first few weeks, the only thing holding up their value is buying membership.

Honestly this is only going to knock out a few people buying gold who would rather do it more honestly, and it could potentially get more people to do it illegally if they can get more for cheaper elsewhere.




Yep i feel the same way.

27-Sep-2013 01:07:14

Mystic Monad
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Mystic Monad

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The Old Rules on Real-World Trading
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What is real-world trading?


Real-world trading is the term used for the real-world purchase of services with the intention of advancing your Jagex character. This includes, but is not limited to: purchasing gold or items in Runescape, buying a Runescape account as well as paying someone to increase your account** experience(XP) in a skill or for them to complete quests and activates on your behalf.


Why do we have this rule?

We have this rule for two reasons:

1. We don’t want players to be able to buy their way to success in Runescape. If we let players start doing this, it devalues Runescape for others. We feel your status in real-life shouldn’t affect your ability to be successful in Runescape. "

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The definition of RWT assumed that people would be buying RS gold, items, accounts, etc. from third parties. At that time Jagex itself had no intention of ever selling them beyond what players get from membership fees. So I don't think this "old" definition of RWT includes Jagex selling these things (or more correctly, the use of these things).

The reason given for the rule was indeed a noble idea--and Jagex stuck with it longer than many other games.

Unfortunately, it was a losing battle. Despite herculean efforts to stamp out bots and gold farmers, anyone who wants to can still go to third party websites and by RS gold, items, leveling, characters, and so on. Apparently 40-50% of RS users actually do.

Whether the "old faithful" among us like it or not, Jagex was swimming against the tide, and was forced to change its thinking in the face of an "arms race" that it could not win.

It's a nice dream that RS could have no selling of in-game items for real-life money. But that is not the reality. Jagex has finally faced that fact. Unfortunate, but true.

27-Sep-2013 01:09:57

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