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Dawgs

Dawgs

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I guess to finalize my say in this issue is what I always say when people complain about website updates.
You don't walk into someone else's house and complain that they redecorated and expect them to cater to you. It's their house, they can do whatever they want with it.
For people who say "well I pay to be here so they need to make me happy"...
You don't go to a hotel and complain that the room isn't set up exactly as you like it, or that the pool renovation doesn't please you, and expect them to change it. It's their hotel. They will just tell you to leave.

Stop being crybabies and deal with the change. Jagex is TRYING to solve the issues at hand, but they can't change human nature. Either accept it and work around it in a way that pleases you, or go do something else with your time. You aren't required to be here, they aren't required to give you what you want.

The fact that they are even addressing an issue that they don't really see a dramatic profit loss from shows that they care about you.

Stop bitching.

Well no.

The private property of somebody's house is a very poor analogy for the collectively owned, member-funded, member-shaped MMORPG that we are all a part of. People aren't crying or bitching as far as I can see within this thread, people are making sensible and valid comments or criticisms.

To entertain your analogy if I went to a hotel and half way through my stay something was changed that I was not told of before paying, I certainly would complain. If a member of this game has paid for membership a couple of weeks ago and the game is turned upside down suddenly, it would be personally acceptable for that person to either want a partial refund, an apology, or a reversion of the change.

@ Mystic Nomad, players receive something that can only be obtained via real-life cash in exchange for RSGP, even if it is indirect it is still the same in my eyes.

26-Sep-2013 23:31:18 - Last edited on 26-Sep-2013 23:35:10 by Dawgs

1holymager

1holymager

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Keep the bots, charge the bots to play, charge the players to play, and charge the players to get rid the bots. What a brilliant concept of ingenuity. I'll pay my 5 dollars a month being a veteran and stick with Old School Runescape until there is an actual realistic plan integrated that doesn't involve spending more money than it's worth. Keep it coming Jagex, wish Andrew Gower was still in control.

26-Sep-2013 23:33:04

kanechoker

kanechoker

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A bond is selling for
11 million
gold
in the Grand Exchange. I was planning on buying my membership through bonds, but now it looks like I wont be able to do that. Its hard enough for me to get money in-game, and I don't think 14 days of membership is worth 11m. I hope the price comes down to a more reasonable value, like 3m or less.

I was also hoping I could just buy membership directly in the game, where it would just charge my account, not having to buy a bond. Kind of disappointed there, but I guess that wasn't announced :(

Oh well.
-kanechoker

26-Sep-2013 23:33:12

Tha Sorrow

Tha Sorrow

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Why get hung up on what RWT means, let’s call it micro-transactions.

Yep, Jagex can do what they like, but doesn't mean it will go down well, micro transactions like bonds or any transaction such as gambling with spins for SOF which can in turn benefit a select amount of people above other players due to their financial situation will cheapen the game.

Saying RWT (or micro-transactions for people that are that bothered about the title) is the same as paying for membership? No, it may be real money that's it, any other comparison is obsurd, it's not a financial injection for advancement of in game progress by bypassing time and work through obtaining items quickly with personal monies. Yes it gives you access to more than free to play but free to play is just a virtual demo to promote full membership.

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The Old Rules on Real-World Trading
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What is real-world trading?


Real-world trading is the term used for the real-world purchase of services with the intention of advancing your Jagex character. This includes, but is not limited to: purchasing gold or items in Runescape, buying a Runescape account as well as paying someone to increase your account** experience(XP) in a skill or for them to complete quests and activates on your behalf.


Why do we have this rule?

We have this rule for two reasons:

1. We don’t want players to be able to buy their way to success in Runescape. If we let players start doing this, it devalues Runescape for others. We feel your status in real-life shouldn’t affect your ability to be successful in Runescape. "

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I'm past really minding now, it is what it is, I come on to relax every now and then since 2004 and will probably to do so if only to quest.

26-Sep-2013 23:36:25 - Last edited on 26-Sep-2013 23:44:22 by Tha Sorrow

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Why get hung up on what RWT means, let’s call it micro-transactions.

Yep, Jagex can do what they like, but doesn't mean it will go down well, micro transactions like bonds or any transaction such as gambling with spins for SOF which can in turn benefit a select amount of people above other players due to their financial situation will cheapen the game.

Saying RWT (or micro-transactions for people that are that bothered about the title) is the same as paying for membership? No, it may be real money that's it, any other comparison is obsurd, it's not a financial injection for advancement of in game progress by bypassing time and work through obtaining items quickly with personal monies. Yes it gives you access to more than free to play but free to play is just a virtual demo to promote full membership.

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The Old Rules on Real-World Trading
==================
What is real-world trading?


Real-world trading is the term used for the real-world purchase of services with the intention of advancing your Jagex character. This includes, but is not limited to: purchasing gold or items in Runescape, buying a Runescape account as well as paying someone to increase your account** experience(XP) in a skill or for them to complete quests and activates on your behalf.


Why do we have this rule?

We have this rule for two reasons:

1. We don’t want players to be able to buy their way to success in Runescape. If we let players start doing this, it devalues Runescape for others. We feel your status in real-life shouldn’t affect your ability to be successful in Runescape. "

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I'm past really minding now, it is what it is, I come on to relax every now and then since 2004 and will probably to do so if only to quest.


Exactly right.

26-Sep-2013 23:49:34

Mystic Monad
May Member 2005

Mystic Monad

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@Mystic Monad


RWT'ing is exactly what it says it is, RWT'ing=Real World Trading=trading in game items for real world cash and no, selling membership isn't quite the same to be honest. Can you look into your inventory or your bank and see your membership? True, you can look into inventory/bank and see items gained while being a member or rewarded for your "loyalty" or otherwise granted unto you for buying/continuing membership but your membership itself is not an item that will appear in your bank/inventory nor can it be equipped on your avatar for display or protective purposes.

I will grant you that membership DOES grant you advantages in game not achievable without membership but that is as far as it goes towards being RWT'ing. Bonds on the other hand ARE items and grant you (upon selling them) GP that can be used to buy resources that you can then use to advance your skills faster AND easier than you can by farming the resources yourself.

Buying membership makes your in-game time much more valuable in terms of achieving levels and gaining in-game money and items faster and more easily. If you're buying membership, you're paying real-world money for the opportunity to advance faster in the game both in levels and in building in-game wealth.

And yet, it's not RWT . . . because we're used to it, and that's just "how it works." Nobody's complaining that Jagex is making money off of memberships. That's what they're "supposed" to do.

But it's still trading real-word money for the ability to make faster money and gain faster (and more) levels in-game.

Selling an item that can be traded in-game for money and items is not as different from selling memberships as people seem to think. Some people can't afford memberships. That gives people who can afford them an advantage.

Once again, it may or may not be a good idea. But Jagex selling bonds is not RWT any more than Jagex selling membership is.

27-Sep-2013 00:00:17

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