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Mystic Monad
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Mystic Monad

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This whole 'RSGP is the intellectual property of Jagex Ltd.' doesn't exactly mesh with Jagex's justifications that it is okay for players to 'cash out' on their investments by selling RSGP for what is essentially real life cash.


How are people selling RSGP for real life cash via bonds?

26-Sep-2013 23:09:30

Amnestey

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I guess to finalize my say in this issue is what I always say when people complain about website updates.
You don't walk into someone else's house and complain that they redecorated and expect them to cater to you. It's their house, they can do whatever they want with it.
For people who say "well I pay to be here so they need to make me happy"...
You don't go to a hotel and complain that the room isn't set up exactly as you like it, or that the pool renovation doesn't please you, and expect them to change it. It's their hotel. They will just tell you to leave.

Stop being crybabies and deal with the change. Jagex is TRYING to solve the issues at hand, but they can't change human nature. Either accept it and work around it in a way that pleases you, or go do something else with your time. You aren't required to be here, they aren't required to give you what you want.

The fact that they are even addressing an issue that they don't really see a dramatic profit loss from shows that they care about you.

Stop bitching.

26-Sep-2013 23:10:31

Rondstat

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With the decline in player numbers, Jagex obviously couldn't afford to ban half the playerbase, but they should have done something to these players.

E.g.: Remove 95% of gp from moneypouch and bank account of gold buyer, remove access to player to player trading, put 500k daily limit on GE transactions, maintain status indefinitely unless player appeals.

Instead they've introduced something that is fundamentally opposed to the spirit of the game. The value of gameplay and status irrespective of your rl bank account has been central to runescape from the beginning (and don't group membership in with this - membership pays for access to the game, not for status).

Bonds will probably strengthen the economy - I concede that - but I'm skeptical that it can curb gold farming. According to other posters, gold farmers sell 4-5m gp/USD. This means you could use a gold farmer to buy a month's membership via bonds for half the Jagex price. Now I know the price is supposed to fluctuate at first until it reaches a stable, competitive rate, that will render gold farmers redundant, but this assumes the market is perfect and rational - and it is not. Just look how many items are selling for far below high alch. As long as gold farmers can produce a bond's worth for less than the cost of a bond (and they can), they will not only remain viable, but become more attractive. Bonds won't replace gold farming sites for gold buyers. The people who've bought from sites before know how much gp their real money is worth, and will most likely stick with the system they're already familiar with if it gives them a better deal. Rather, bonds LEGITIMIZE RWT for the thousands of players who would otherwise never even consider buying gold. This means that, no matter how real $-gp conversion rates change, there will be a constant supply of legit players flooding the market with bonds to get fast gp, and a steady stream of farmed gold being used by that (bogus?) 40% to buy them.

26-Sep-2013 23:11:10

ImDoinUber

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With the decline in player numbers, Jagex obviously couldn't afford to ban half the playerbase, but they should have done something to these players.


Like ban them they break the rules they pay the price

26-Sep-2013 23:14:52

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@Mystic Monad


RWT'ing is exactly what it says it is, RWT'ing=Real World Trading=trading in game items for real world cash and no, selling membership isn't quite the same to be honest. Can you look into your inventory or your bank and see your membership? True, you can look into inventory/bank and see items gained while being a member or rewarded for your "loyalty" or otherwise granted unto you for buying/continuing membership but your membership itself is not an item that will appear in your bank/inventory nor can it be equipped on your avatar for display or protective purposes.

I will grant you that membership DOES grant you advantages in game not achievable without membership but that is as far as it goes towards being RWT'ing. Bonds on the other hand ARE items and grant you (upon selling them) GP that can be used to buy resources that you can then use to advance your skills faster AND easier than you can by farming the resources yourself.

26-Sep-2013 23:18:02

Amnestey

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With the decline in player numbers, Jagex obviously couldn't afford to ban half the playerbase, but they should have done something to these players.


Like ban them they break the rules they pay the price


It is not that simple. If Jagex bans too many players, they will not be making enough money to continue running their business (this website) just like any other business out there.
It's ******, but those bot farmers ARE contributing to this website being able to continue running.

26-Sep-2013 23:18:23

nilsea
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"We place immense value in our - and your - game's integrity, feedback from our community, and continually improving the game experience for all, and we have a strong track record of making decisions in this area that we know may be sub-optimal, commercially speaking, but represent our values. For example, we know that directly selling gold, XP or even accounts would generate between 10 to 15 times more revenue than Squeal or Solomon’s Store generates combined. However, we simply won’t do it, because we don’t believe it’s the right thing for the long-term health of the game."

26-Sep-2013 23:19:55

[#4QQ2IVQ2P]

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"We place immense value in our - and your - game's integrity, feedback from our community, and continually improving the game experience for all, and we have a strong track record of making decisions in this area that we know may be sub-optimal, commercially speaking, but represent our values. For example, we know that directly selling gold, XP or even accounts would generate between 10 to 15 times more revenue than Squeal or Solomon’s Store generates combined. However, we simply won’t do it, because we don’t believe it’s the right thing for the long-term health of the game."




Lol, Gotta love Jagex's integrity huh? You summed it up succinctly.



P.S. You Do know of course that Jagex fanboys WILL point out that Jagex isn't exchanging the GP directly of course, they are handing out the bond which you must then sell to get your GP.

26-Sep-2013 23:25:55

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