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Amnestey

Amnestey

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Well thank you lol.
I guess I'm neither for this nor against it. I've been playing runescape for almost 9 years now and I've taken the hits as they've come. I'm not going to quit or complain because they're just doing what they can. They cater the game for the masses, not the individual. =p

back to fishing with this one.

Edit**:
Yeah, you're right about the undercutting, probably. Knowing a lot of the s*** bags in the runescape community, there will be a lot of people who will try and abuse it and overprice the bonds, or some other form of manipulation I can't think of.

26-Sep-2013 22:44:05 - Last edited on 26-Sep-2013 22:46:36 by Amnestey

Nexxara

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As for banning 40% to 50% of actual human RS players, that's just not a realistic option.

In an ideal world, nobody would break Jagex rules by buying gold from RWT websites.

This is not an ideal world.

And when you're facing that many people who are simply not going to stop doing something you don't want them to do, it's time to revise your own thinking.

Any real-world government that had a situation in which 40% to 50% of the population simply would not follow some law it had made, no matter how hard it tried to enforce it, would sooner or later have to drop or modify the law, whether they liked it or not. You cannot put 50% of your population in jail. Prohibition just doesn't work.

Jagex has been forced into modifying its thinking, and into doing things it never intended to do.

Don't blame Jagex. Blame human nature.

And if you think you're going to change that, maybe you should try founding your own country and see if you do any better than any of the other governments around the world that think they can change human nature.
I agree complately, you cant just ban half of the population. as for trying to stop the gold farmers, though (because they are unarguably a nuisance) the only thing that jagex can do would be to try to attack the problem at its source legally, similar to how they tried to get rid of the bots. Or the could start cracking down on the people that are buying the gold. Specifically people that are buying bulk amounts as in several hundred mil + Im not expecting gold farming to completely go away, but as far as organized farming and sales go, it could be close. (i remind myself of Harvey Dent in The Dark Knigh with getting rid of organized crime via the Dent Act)

26-Sep-2013 22:46:25

Mystic Monad
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RWT'ing is RWT'ing regardless of who is doing it period. That of course is not to say that Jagex does not have the legal right to do so, they do, just not the moral right to do so. If they expect players to play by the rules they themselves set forth they MUST do so as well.

Unfortunately, the term "Real World Trading" (RWT) does not accurately reflect what's the real wrong that's going on. I think that's why a lot of people are confused.

RWTing is not just selling in-game items or benefits for real money. If it were, then Jagex would have been RWTing ever since the game began by selling memberships.

RWTing is people who do not own the in-game items or benefits selling them for real world money. The reason RWTing is wrong is because people are selling things they don't own, which is fraudulent and illegal.

Jagex owns the in-game content. Whether or not Jagex selling bonds is a good idea, it is not RWTing. It is simply selling something Jagex owns, which it has every right to do, and which is not fraudulent or illegal.

26-Sep-2013 22:46:52

Dawgs

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Well thank you lol.
I guess I'm neither for this nor against it. I've been playing runescape for almost 9 years now and I've taken the hits as they've come. I'm not going to quit or complain because they're just doing what they can. They cater the game for the masses, not the individual. =p

back to fishing with this one.

Edit**:
Yeah, you're right about the undercutting, probably. Knowing a lot of the s*** bags in the runescape community, there will be a lot of people who will try and abuse it and overprice the bonds, or some other form of manipulation I can't think of.

Add me :D

26-Sep-2013 22:47:16

Nexxara

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@Mystic Monad


RWT'ing is RWT'ing regardless of who is doing it period. That of course is not to say that Jagex does not have the legal right to do so, they do, just not the moral right to do so. If they expect players to play by the rules they themselves set forth they MUST do so as well.

Unfortunately, the term "Real World Trading" (RWT) does not accurately reflect what's the real wrong that's going on. I think that's why a lot of people are confused.

RWTing is not just selling in-game items or benefits for real money. If it were, then Jagex would have been RWTing ever since the game began by selling memberships.

RWTing is people who do not own the in-game items or benefits selling them for real world money. The reason RWTing is wrong is because people are selling things they don't own, which is fraudulent and illegal.

Jagex owns the in-game content. Whether or not Jagex selling bonds is a good idea, it is not RWTing. It is simply selling something Jagex owns, which it has every right to do, and which is not fraudulent or illegal.
Agreed, Jagex is just allowing services to be bought for gold rather than for real world money. and vice-versa. they are not "gold selling" like many of the players seem to think. They are just recycling the gold that is already in the game, rather than people buy the gold from gold farmers and having them both profit from and inflate the economy.

26-Sep-2013 22:53:30

Amnestey

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@Mystic Monad


RWT'ing is RWT'ing regardless of who is doing it period. That of course is not to say that Jagex does not have the legal right to do so, they do, just not the moral right to do so. If they expect players to play by the rules they themselves set forth they MUST do so as well.

Unfortunately, the term "Real World Trading" (RWT) does not accurately reflect what's the real wrong that's going on. I think that's why a lot of people are confused.

RWTing is not just selling in-game items or benefits for real money. If it were, then Jagex would have been RWTing ever since the game began by selling memberships.

RWTing is people who do not own the in-game items or benefits selling them for real world money. The reason RWTing is wrong is because people are selling things they don't own, which is fraudulent and illegal.

Jagex owns the in-game content. Whether or not Jagex selling bonds is a good idea, it is not RWTing. It is simply selling something Jagex owns, which it has every right to do, and which is not fraudulent or illegal.

This. Runescape is Jagex's business, and people don't look at it as such. You don't steal from a grocery store, and then stand outside and try and sell it for a little bit cheaper.

26-Sep-2013 22:55:31 - Last edited on 26-Sep-2013 22:56:05 by Amnestey

Nexxara

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@Mystic Monad


RWT'ing is RWT'ing regardless of who is doing it period. That of course is not to say that Jagex does not have the legal right to do so, they do, just not the moral right to do so. If they expect players to play by the rules they themselves set forth they MUST do so as well.

Unfortunately, the term "Real World Trading" (RWT) does not accurately reflect what's the real wrong that's going on. I think that's why a lot of people are confused.

RWTing is not just selling in-game items or benefits for real money. If it were, then Jagex would have been RWTing ever since the game began by selling memberships.

RWTing is people who do not own the in-game items or benefits selling them for real world money. The reason RWTing is wrong is because people are selling things they don't own, which is fraudulent and illegal.

Jagex owns the in-game content. Whether or not Jagex selling bonds is a good idea, it is not RWTing. It is simply selling something Jagex owns, which it has every right to do, and which is not fraudulent or illegal.

This. Runescape is Jagex's business, and people don't look like it as such. You don't steal from a grocery store, and then stand outside and try and sell it for a little bit cheaper.
Some people will try to do that though. its disgusting and affecting the business. and thats just what these people are doing. like i was saying earlier, selling bonds isnt going to stop them, and itll only be an inconvenience for the farmers for a short time. people will continue to be thieves so long as they are still making money. And with the currency being entirely digital, there will always be room to profit.

26-Sep-2013 22:59:22

Dawgs

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This whole 'RSGP is the intellectual property of Jagex Ltd.' doesn't exactly mesh with Jagex's justifications that it is okay for players to 'cash out' on their investments by selling RSGP for what is essentially real life cash.

You can't attempt to use legal terminology to condemn something that the victims of your alleged crimes openly support.

26-Sep-2013 23:03:09 - Last edited on 26-Sep-2013 23:06:23 by Dawgs

Mystic Monad
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Mystic Monad

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Well thank you lol.
I guess I'm neither for this nor against it. I've been playing runescape for almost 9 years now and I've taken the hits as they've come. I'm not going to quit or complain because they're just doing what they can. They cater the game for the masses, not the individual. =p

Yes, no matter what the core group of long-term, dedicated players think of bonds, the vast bulk of ordinary players probably love 'em.

Online games are a highly competitive business. If Jagex doesn't keep the masses happy, they'll go elsewhere. Then Jagex will go belly-up, and the long-term, dedicated RS players will lose their game as well.

Whether the elite few like it or not, the masses are supporting their game and their game-playing.

Jagex is doing what it has to do to keep the masses happy and keep RS going.

A lot of other online games made this jump far sooner and far more radically than Jagex did. Some of them destroyed themselves in the process. Jagex seems to be doing its best to steer a middle course between losing the battle against gold farming on the one hand, and simply giving in altogether and directly selling in-game money and items on the other--all while attempting to retain its broad player base.

I'm not crazy about bonds, but they seem like a fairly reasonable compromise between those two options.

26-Sep-2013 23:04:11

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