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Mr Ridiklous

Mr Ridiklous

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Who cares if the ppl who buy gold get in risk? They DESERVE IT they DEEEEEEEEEESSSSSSEEEEEEERRRRRVVVVVEEEEE it!

My feelings exactly, I couldn't care less what happens to those people.
We understand why many players might feel like this, however, this is like saying that the victims of crime must have deserved it in some way. We have a duty of care towards the safety of all of our community and the reality is that there are varying levels of both experience and maturity within the large and diverse community that makes up RuneScape and it is, almost invariably, the most vulnerable that fall foul of these scams.

actually if you are intending to do harm, or buy illegal stuff, yes you deserve what is coming to you, if you play you agree with the tos. I thought you guys changed the age limit to 13, at that age you should know and follow the rules, I did.

26-Sep-2013 14:47:44

Brad 76

Brad 76

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You make a claim that almost half of the player base are actively involved in rwt but you don't give any details..... If as the video states the bot problem has basically been eradicated...how are these site still filling their coffers with gp to sell. I have been thinking about this since your last response and scamming could be part of the way they are getting gp ...which is against the rules, and hijacking might be a small part of it but with all the measure you have in place for account security im sure its probably a small part, the only thing i can think of that could be replinishing their coffers on these sites is high level players farming the large bosses and selling their gp to these sites, which should be very easy to track. I can't believe you just simply gave up on removing players that cheat and now make it "ok" for them to "cheat" just thru a safe way. I still am very sceptical that this figure is even close to being correct and if it is the only plausible way i can see for them to get enough gold to sell would be for actual players to be selling it to them, which should be fairly easy to track and ...ban.

Never bought gp, spins, coins, bonds and never sold any of my in game items for real money...and WONT. Brad 76

26-Sep-2013 14:48:03

Hobbes14
Oct Member 2022

Hobbes14

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Who cares if the ppl who buy gold get in risk? They DESERVE IT they DEEEEEEEEEESSSSSSEEEEEEERRRRRVVVVVEEEEE it!

My feelings exactly, I couldn't care less what happens to those people.
We understand why many players might feel like this, however, this is like saying that the victims of crime must have deserved it in some way. We have a duty of care towards the safety of all of our community and the reality is that there are varying levels of both experience and maturity within the large and diverse community that makes up RuneScape and it is, almost invariably, the most vulnerable that fall foul of these scams.

They put themselves in that position. Them and only them.
It is not the same as saying that victims of crime deserved it, it's like somebody say robbing a store then expecting us to feel sorry for them when somebody bops them over the head with something.

These people in my eyes should be banned anyway, so they should no longer be considered a part of the community to begin with.

26-Sep-2013 14:48:16

Mod Redfox

Mod Redfox

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I am still trying to get my head around this. You say it is more important to protect cheaters from harm that is self inflicted by actions that did not involve Jagex in anyway than it is to treat honest, loyal customers with respect and provide them a good gaming experience?

This is a truly messed up business model but I am glad you admitted it so we can make informed decisions.

Why would a single loyal, non-cheating customer want to keep a membership with a company with this attitude?

WOW, just WOW. We have a duty of care to all of our community and believe that we should do everything to the maximum extend possible to protect our community wherever we can for example with the introduction of the Jagex Account Guardian.

Part of this also includes protecting the game economy to provide players with the best gaming experience possible. Gold farmers can inject a huge amount of wealth into the economy each day. The introduction of bonds does not result in additional gold being injected into the economy in this fashion and also allows players who have the time and drive to accrue wealth in the game to purchase membership, or other benefits, with that in game wealth.

26-Sep-2013 14:48:48

Dadizar
Oct Member 2005

Dadizar

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All of us that do without things in game because we look at cost tradeoff and get abused daily by the cheaters that break rules to get everything they could want and Jagex opts to protect the cheaters, thus encouraging more cheaters, and slaps the rest of us in the face.

Hmmmm..... Wonder what happens when we start to wise up.

Feel like I have just been lure in real life by Jagex to be abused by cheaters.

I really cannot believe your business model.
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26-Sep-2013 14:49:16

Trunkuza

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Gold sellers WILL EXIST because they will look at Bond GE price and sell gold slightly cheaper you dumb morons JAGEX ********!

Actually, in a rather brilliant way, it means that the gold sellers will have to sell more of their gold for the same price that they did before, which will eventually ruin their profit margin/hour, whether or not the item actually sells for its' "value" on the G.E. By itself, the item doesn't fix the problem, but if the rich community is fed up with Gold-selling sites, they can definitely use it as a way to protest against those companies. IIRC, list price is based on GE statistics (and Jagex), so gifting one to a friend, or selling one on the street won't really affect the listed price, and in-game super-rich players can use this as a way to artificially deflate the rwt value of in-game gold. (Essentially, the higher the G.E. value of the item, the more skewed the irl-to-ingame value ratio. If it can get inflated to 3-bil on G.E., then it's [in a way] the community saying that the gold-sellers have to meet-or-exceed $5-for-3-bil to even survive competatively.)

Since Gold-sellers banked on the concept of gold being "a bit difficult to get", they essentially have set the real-life value of gold to what *they* want it to be. Once the community makes the rules for the IRL value of GP, they've lost their advantage, and (since bots are more accurately detected now) they would have to hire more people just to keep up, which means they have to spend more just to try to get the same amount of rw-money that they were in the first place. Which will make them more desperate, more unreliable (possibly more prone to risking fraud), and eventually could run them out of business in RS...

26-Sep-2013 14:49:38 - Last edited on 26-Sep-2013 14:52:12 by Trunkuza

Trunkuza

Trunkuza

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Further, in order to try to push the price *down*, they'd have to spend 10% of the value to re-list it, each time, on top of posting it for less, which further destroys their profit margin, due to having less gold "in stock" to sell, because in this specific way, they'd be focusing on using their resources to try to drive the skew back to what they want.

It wouldn't surprise me if Jagex themselves artificially aids this deflation (and the bankruptcy of their foes) a few times with direct manipulation of the list value, and I also wouldn't put it past them to even aid in the scheme by generating their own GP a number of times and "buying" the item at random to further deflate the real-world value of GP, at least until the more prominant rs gold-selling sites have left the scene or bankrupted their characters...

26-Sep-2013 14:49:47 - Last edited on 26-Sep-2013 14:58:13 by Trunkuza

Tina Plushy
Nov Member 2021

Tina Plushy

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Bonds allow players to indirectly use gp to buy runecoins and spins.
Also, bonds lets players use gp to buy membership...

Way too many people are focusing on rl rich people making money. In my mind,this is the best realistic solution Jagex provided.

Thank you, Jagex. If all goes well, ah'm excited to see the influx of new members coming to the game. Thank you.

26-Sep-2013 14:50:33

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