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Matchgirl42
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I was very excited about that back when TWW was released, but now, there's
1) My semester starting and my membership expiring
2) Crap from March up until now

Heck, Battle of Lumbridge clashes with my orientation. What bad affinity.

I'm not cynical for no reason

Battle of Lumby - see my predictions above.

I'm not sure why your semester starting is dimming your enthusiasm - my final semester is getting ready to start and it's not dimming mine.

I will agree that they have run into some time snags and not been able to meet promised dates - but heck, that's life. You're free to not have patience and understanding (or not enough patience and understanding, I understand that everyone's tolerance level is different) and let it sour your whole experience with the company if that's the way you feel, but again I point out that your experience does not match other people's experience, your wants and needs do not match other player's wants and needs, etc.

One thing I will point out - there's a good reason to be careful about going along with opinions just to be "cool with the in-crowd." Not saying that that's really what you're doing, but you give off that impression by constantly pointing to what other players think/have said. The same thing happened with the TwiHate thing, it's pretty much become a meme at this point.

You may be too cynical at this point to see the possibilities the game still has to offer, but that doesn't invalidate my view of those possibilities and my optimism about the rest of 2013. At this point we may just have to agree to disagree on that.
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04-Aug-2013 05:07:51

Matchgirl42
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The issue is what the complaints were about. I don't deny that some people just complain for the sake of complaining, but there were flaws with God Emissaries, and they were very easy to be fixed. No, seriously, how hard is it to make people redo tasks, and implement a warning? The more I did it, the more it resembled to me one of those ''Make X/Kill X'' quests people like to peg to World of Warcraft.

And again, there would be a whole contingent of players complaing about having to redo tasks, even with the warning. Doing it that way wasn't lazy on Jagex's part, IMO: it was a way to avoid that group of complaints. And they still got complaints, which just reinforces that no matter what they did people are going to complain....

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Yet, they've hyped it up, both in-game and to the press, and are adamant to go ahead with it. Recipe for Disaster waiting to happen. Come 22nd July, the players will be ready to rub Salt in Jagex's Wound. And there's no excuse Jagex can give, they released RS3 As a First Resort.

It looks like HTML5 is still in beta, and RS3 is running off java.

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I honestly cannot see how you can be so optimistic about the outlook of the game. Since I started playing again last year, I've seen mainly negative stuff like half assed or rushed updates, moneygrabbing promotion after moneygrabbing promotion, player base getting the shaft, lies and broken promises, refusal to acknowledge in-game problems, taking ages to fixing potentially game-breaking issues, etc, etc, etc. It's just too much. It's enough to drive most people nuts who play this game.


points up See above. :) Just because you think certain things are negative doesn't mean that all other players think they are. I agree, there are bugs and things to work out, perhaps I just have more patience than you?
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04-Aug-2013 05:17:20

Matchgirl42
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Ooops. Miscellania does require completion of the Fremennik Trials. Just remembered that. I guess that's what you get for posting at 2am.
Oh, and the Rellekka lodestone's nearer to the Keldagrim entrance (although GE is still faster) and Larry's boat than the fairy ring.


It's also closer to the hunter area and slayer cave, as well.
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04-Aug-2013 05:18:18

Southeaster
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Yeah I know you were busy with shifting house.
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I don't know about you, but I'm really enjoying the battle of lumby.

I was kind of p-ed off that you had to choose between Saradomin and Zamorak (I'm Godless), but since then it's been fun chasing after White Knights and mowing them down. If only the metal fragments were more common.
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TWW wasn't that predictable to me, maybe just different experiences with it. As a fan of the lore, I highly enjoyed it, and I'm greatly intrigued by the possibility hinted that the player might assume godhood at some point. And I liked the inclusion of puzzles in with it, so that it wasn't about just combat. And of course, it bringing about the 6th age...so far the 6th age is off to a rousing start, IMO!

???

What rousing start? There was a four month gap between TWW and Battle of Lumbridge. That's too long a gap for me. And I don't deny TWW was a good quest for lore. It just didn't deserve a Grandmaster. I won't comment anymore on the TzHaar series since I haven't done them.
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We know different people IRL, then.
I wish I was as lucky as you.
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Again, let's agree to disagree. I should point out however, that Daily Challenges constitute about 70% of my current exp gain because I hardly ever skill.

That's one of the things I like about the current game, actually - there's something for everyone. There are *so* many activities available to do in the game, it's difficult (IMO) to get bored with it.

Meh. I'd rather play a game to do something I enjoy, and not because of exp waste. Can't find that spark (besides BoL atm). Maybe I should subscribe on my other account and blaze through Elf series for the second time...

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AFAIK, the Cambridge management team is still very much in control of the game.

You could not be more wrong.

If you did your research as you said, you would know that roughly 85% of Jagex is owned collectively by three venture capitalist firms. One of the firms owns 55% and is thus the controlling party of Jagex.

I used to think investments were long-term, and then Squeal of Fortune came along.
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but opinions are not the same as facts.

Guess what.

It is a fact that Jagex has been in the hands of venture capitalists since 2010.

It is a fact that venture capitalists tend to ''Pump and Dump'' with their investments. Go look at Zynga.

It is a fact that Runescape was flourishing the way it was run in 2005-2007.

It is a fact that Runescape updates in the past two years have gone against what the game used to stand for.

It is a fact that pay-to-win is being heavily promoted in Runescape while actual content updates are suffering.

Not sure what you mean by opinions.
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As an American myself I agree that we don't have the best reputation in the rest of the world, but we're not all greedy capitalists, I can assure you of that much.

I had an American in-game friend who hated the game from 2011 onwards. He hated IVP for ruining the game he grew up with just for short term profit. I understand.
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And removing the priest in peril requirement was part of the release of the morytania tasks (March 27 2012) and had nothing to do with the lodestones...

No but it's an EasyScape update. Just like lodestones.
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To be utterly frank - don't be so immature.

Many well-known and successful authors utilize vulgar diction to convey their messages. The message you're trying to send is much, much more important.

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06-Aug-2013 16:09:25

Southeaster
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Rellekka has:
-One of the 5 places in the entire game you can buy packs of water vials (and another, Jossick in the lighthouse, is close by)
-One of the 12 places in the entire game you can buy feathers for the store price and in bulk
-Access to Waterbirth isle (and you can change your lyre destination to go right to it as well)
-The only place to get a pet rock
-mining spots and NPCs to fight on Neitznot and Jatizso
-Access to Lunar Isle (to unlock lodestone)
-Access to Pirate's Cove, a generally uncrowded place to kill Moss Giants

And some of the places/items require completion of the Fremennik Trials, so there's still an incentive.

You do realise most of the ''incentives'' you mentioned are not really incentives.

Water vials - Taverley
Feathers - Port Sarim
Mining spots - Dwarven Mine
Ice trolls and Moss giants - exp waste
Pet rock - who cares, exp waste

Only things I concede are Waterbirth and Lunar Isle. Next thing you know, they'll pull a Priest in Peril and remove their quest prerequisites.

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I said the God Emissaries update itself was lazy. And it is. It looks like they spent 15 minutes planning its content. And you actually think it's awesome. Lolwut.


And if it was just by itself, I would agree. But it's part of the bigger release of RS3 and the 6th age. Which is my whole point. You saying it was lazy because it's not huge by itself is kind of like saying the update that gave us potion flasks was lazy. It's also ignoring the huge amount of work that goes into the graphic design behind it.

I stand by what I said - it's filler (and poor quality filler at that) meant to appease the lore lovers. The only thing I found relevant was the Book. And more effort goes into designing Squeal cosmetics.

Are you... are you kidding me? And I thought your defending the Nexus was bad enough.

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06-Aug-2013 16:18:03

Southeaster
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I read through May and June - it looks to be about even honestly, between positive and negative reactions - if anything, more positive than negative, especially once you get past the first 10 pages. Looks like the original Quests in the Making thread is gone; I found the replacement, it seems to be fairly positive to me.

Really? May seems negative overall. June was much better, I admit. Did you like my ASCII facepalm?

People's expectations have fallen so low they're happy for whatever quest is released. Never mind the fact that the Sir Owen quest is in the 6th age and that the Black Knights' Fortress requirement for the Temple Knights storyline is going to be simply removed without explanation.
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One thing I will point out - there's a good reason to be careful about going along with opinions just to be ''cool with the in-crowd.'' Not saying that that's really what you're doing, but you give off that impression by constantly pointing to what other players think/have said. The same thing happened with the TwiHate thing, it's pretty much become a meme at this point.

I point to what others have said because I know it means that I'm not alone in my views. I'm not jumping on the bandwagon of hate; my views are actually somewhat different from the average hater you see.
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The game has gone to rat **** so bad, I pretty much have accepted most of what is wrong with the game. I just want Jagex to give me good quests to enjoy, and new lands to explore on a regular basis . But they can't even do that.


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06-Aug-2013 16:33:58

Southeaster
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You may be too cynical at this point to see the possibilities the game still has to offer, but that doesn't invalidate my view of those possibilities and my optimism about the rest of 2013. At this point we may just have to agree to disagree on that.

Fair enough.
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And again, there would be a whole contingent of players complaing about having to redo tasks, even with the warning. Doing it that way wasn't lazy on Jagex's part, IMO: it was a way to avoid that group of complaints. And they still got complaints, which just reinforces that no matter what they did people are going to complain....

This is how I see it:

Option 1: Make tasks vary between Emissary.
Pros: Lore is not broken.
Cons: Takes longer to program, and players will complain.

Option 2: Make tasks the same.
Pros: Takes less time to program
Cons: Lore is broken, players will complain anyway.

Jagex: Let's go the easy route.


This is why I say that it's laziness. And yeah, refer to my comment that it's filler.

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It looks like HTML5 is still in beta, and RS3 is running off java.

Yeah HTML5 deserves to remain in beta. But let's talk about NIS.

Are you enjoying yourself:

-Having to share private chat in the same chat window as all chat?
-Unable to click through chat windows?
-Having to search for 15 minutes to work out how to change your attack style from Attack to Strength?
-Having to search for another 15 minutes to work out how to change your title?
-Having your interfaces reset upon log-in? (thank god they fixed this within days)
-Having your in-game music playing at very low volume or cracking up or stuttering?
-Having that large bar block a lot of things when you move your cursor over a monster?

RS3 was ready.

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06-Aug-2013 16:48:46

Southeaster
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Don't get me wrong, there are things that I like about RS3, such as how you can zoom in, how you can use ESC to open settings, the revamped music tracks, and how the Home Teleport option is now on the minimap. But the thing is, was this all necessary? Could we not have had all these features slowly implemented one by one into the interface, and have any issues ironed out one by one? Even with a full release, could we not have had an option to revert to what it was before July 22nd?

I'm adjusting to RS3. A lot of people are adjusting as well. But a lot of others are quitting. The player counter dropped to 29,973 at one point yesterday. Have you seen it that low?

This is like EoC all over again.
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points up See above. :) Just because you think certain things are negative doesn't mean that all other players think they are. I agree, there are bugs and things to work out, perhaps I just have more patience than you?

Everyone gets Jagex'd eventually. You'll join our ranks soon. :D
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06-Aug-2013 16:54:23 - Last edited on 06-Aug-2013 16:56:21 by Southeaster

Matchgirl42
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What rousing start? There was a four month gap between TWW and Battle of Lumbridge. That's too long a gap for me. And I don't deny TWW was a good quest for lore. It just didn't deserve a Grandmaster. I won't comment anymore on the TzHaar series since I haven't done them.

By rousing start, I am referring to the epic proportions of the quest - A GOD DIED. Think about that for a second. AFAIK, that has never happened before in the history of the game/lore. Not only that, but that death opened the way for the God Wars to resume. EPIC. Imo.

I wonder if it was the length of the quest that is making you think it's not worthy of the grandmaster title? Because there are two other quests that are also of the same length (medium-long): Nomad's requiem and The Void Stares Back. Let's see what's in all three: high level NPCs to fight/defeat: check. Puzzles to solve: check. Two or more separate fights: check. Significant contributions to the lore: check. A large, boatload amount of rewards: checkity check-check.

Also, TWW and NR changes the game in a significant way for the player after completion but TVSB does not. (Although TWW does so more than NR, IMO.) And, TWW unlocks more musical tracks (12) than the other two combined.

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Meh. I'd rather play a game to do something I enjoy, and not because of exp waste. Can't find that spark (besides BoL atm). Maybe I should subscribe on my other account and blaze through Elf series for the second time...

Fair enough, but again I point out that your experience is not the same as every other player...and keep in mind that with the dawn of the 6th age, that experience may change for the better....
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