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Okay, I finally understand now why you used the 200 million figure. Although I should add that, given that I didn't see the rationale for it back then, I don't think D4 did either.

Actually, as far as I know, the OSR vote wasn't due to the now defunct private server that was scrapped in January. It started with So Wreck3d, who started a petition to bring back pre-EoC servers (mainly for PKing) at the start of February and he gained support from a great deal of other YouTubers as well. I believe the petition on Change gathered well over 40,000 votes before the OSR vote was announced. And Jagex could have ignored the petition, were it not for the fact that they (correctly) predicted that OSRS would be a reliable revenue stream.

I'm not going to talk about the argument between you and D4 (if only because I don't understand a great deal of it), but as far as I can see, Jagex will only listen to us if 1) they were already looking for feedback in that area or 2) it is financially beneficial to them. Vocal minority doesn't matter.

As for MMG, I've only seen two reasons for the things he says. It's either to paint a rosy picture to outsiders, or make false promises to hoodwink the players into staying subscribed. Cannot stand his lies. Cannot stand him.

As for your pure, good luck with that. As far as I can see, exp is being passed around like hotcakes to new players in the live game so it's no issue to level up.

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05-Jul-2013 12:15:56 - Last edited on 05-Jul-2013 12:25:54 by Southeaster

05-Jul-2013 13:20:05

(cont) I think he and his team haven't gotten nearly as much credit as they should have for the positive things they've done in the last few years. I think they are finally getting the squeal promos right - we've seen at least two now (that I know of) that strike a good balance, with players being able to acquire the items through gameplay without going through the squeal, but also having the option to get it on the squeal if they want. The quests released in the last few years have been amazing - and the new Battle of Lumbridge quest looks like it's going to leave all of those quests in the dust. Player owned ports, the farming update, the triskellion chest update - not to mention all of the monster updates (as well as new monsters and areas/dungeons!). Plus the coming RS3!!!! The graphics alone look amazing, and I'm thrilled the midi music is going to be replaced - I might turn music back on.

Personally I'm okay with the bonus xp. I don't view it as the lvls being nearly as huge as people are claiming. (Again there's another example of the negativity.) There's always been free xp in the game AFAIK - lamps and straight-out xp from quests (some of the original 6 gave out xp), bonus weekends, etc. I've finished all but two of the currently available quests, so not much opportunity for bonus xp for me there - and there are certain skills (*cough* fishing *cough*) the grinding away of just bores me to tears. (But I want to do it to get to the good parts!)

But again - you have to remember it's about revenue. Why was the squeal and solomon's introduced into the game? Revenue. Why are ads on the f2p game? Revenue.

I might make the alt account a magic pure instead of a skill pure. (was gonna try to get all non-combat skills to 99 without working on combat skills, but...I find walking/running everywhere downright tedious.)

I also LOVE Eoc. Was hesitant at first, but once I got the hang of it - love, love, love. Especially omnipower. BOOM! LOL My motto is to be nice if I can, but also to not suffer trolls.

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06-Jul-2013 14:20:29

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As for revenue... I'd like to see that extra revenue end up in Runescape itself, please. I don't see it turning up, which leads to me to conclude that it's lining some corporate orc's pockets.

* cough * capitalism * cough *

As for the other things you listed, I can't say that they've really been on my radar/haven't noticed them. So I can't really speak to them. But I can say that I started the year with about 30% quests completed, and now I only have 2 left to complete. So perhaps my perspective is a bit different because of that - I've been questing it out this year, that's for certain.

Although; correct me if I'm wrong, but weren't low-level weapons useless against high-level monsters *before* EoC? Granted, I certainly wasn't taking on Nex before EoC (and I still haven't, TBH), but I did know enough about the fight mechanics to not be taking a mithril longsword into the fight and expect victory, yanno?

Or are you referencing something else entirely? My motto is to be nice if I can, but also to not suffer trolls.

06-Jul-2013 17:10:04 - Last edited on 06-Jul-2013 17:38:12 by Matchgirl42

Hrm...according to the wiki quest release date page info, there were:

19 quests released in 2008 (three masters, one grandmaster(first ever grandmaster to be released))
13 quests released in 2009 (six masters, no grandmasters)
12 quests released in 2010 (two masters and two grandmasters)
9 quests released in 2011 (five masters and one grandmaster)
15 quests released in 2012 (several of which were reworks/updates, admittedly, and one master and one grandmaster)
2 quests released so far in 2013 (one of which was a rework, and one of which was a grandmaster and, IMO, the biggest quest event to date - The World Wakes)

I can see why 2012 may have seemed to be a slow down, because of the reworks - but honestly several of those quests I re-did myself, so I know players who had completed them before were given the opportunity to do them again - and they had substantially changed (especially Death Plateau, and I *loved* the new wizard's tower quest series - but then I'm a big fan of the lore). And technically, there were 3 more quests in 2012 than in 2011, with the reworks. Now between 2010 and 2011? Yep definitely fewer quests, but there were a lot of masters and grandmasters in 2011, it follows there would be less quests total that year. But if 2013 follows 2012 (and with the dawn of the 6th age I think/hope that's quite likely), we should be seeing more quests. Here's hoping. My motto is to be nice if I can, but also to not suffer trolls.

06-Jul-2013 17:34:53 - Last edited on 06-Jul-2013 17:44:34 by Matchgirl42

06-Jul-2013 18:14:03

Nope, seems pretty even between SoF/Solomon updates and in-game updates. (Even the one with the toolbelt update; if you look at the list of in-game updates posted in that news post, it's a lot of changes.)

Now where you do have MMG on a broken promise is this:

"The Squeal of Fortune (and, to a lesser extent, Solomon’s General Store) has always been a heated topic of discussion. I won’t sugar-coat this: these additions were - and are - vital for growing RuneScape. They allowed us to double the size of RuneScape’s team and keep up the near-weekly game updates. Also, we've put the money we've earned from these back into RuneScape technology and infrastructure, with the focus on tackling lag, improving audio and graphical quality. You'll see these big investments really coming into play in 2013."

But again, that's capitalism for you. Although - we can't really say this promise is broken yet. We're only halfway through 2013, after all - and the biggest improvement ever (from the sound of it), RS3/dawn of the 6th age, is just around the corner. And there *has* been near-weekly game updates in 2013. Some of it low-level stuff or a large amount of small tweaks to be sure, but those are still updates. And there's been a goodly amount of high-level updates as well, like the ones we seem to agree on (farm update, triskellion, etc).

Now if they could just make it so there's no more lag ever. Or at least only once or twice per year, from their end. (I've discovered on my laptop, especially since I use firefox, that at least half the time the lag is on my end and a browser or laptop restart will fix the problem.) My motto is to be nice if I can, but also to not suffer trolls.

06-Jul-2013 18:28:21

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As for the other things you listed, I can't say that they've really been on my radar/haven't noticed them. So I can't really speak to them. But I can say that I started the year with about 30% quests completed, and now I only have 2 left to complete. So perhaps my perspective is a bit different because of that - I've been questing it out this year, that's for certain.
Actually, I'm like you; my first day as a member was in May last year. Currently at 86% completed.
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My bad, I meant mid -level monsters. I tend to use a mindspike as a weapon (call me a cheapskate), and it annoys me to no end when I miss 17 out of 20 Wind Waves on a level 60 monster. This wouldn't have happened pre-EoC.
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But if 2013 follows 2012 (and with the dawn of the 6th age I think/hope that's quite likely), we should be seeing more quests. Here's hoping.
I quite liked the reworks, although Amascut having level 5 minions were kinda dumb, and Rune Mysteries/Memories broke the lore by assuming that runecrafting was already a known skill. Except Demon Slayer, that sucked. They really should focus on finishing up incomplete storylines, though.

In any case, I don't pay to wait. I resubbed in late February for The World Wakes and anticipated more quests. I don't have time to play Runescape anymore, I flew into Melbourne a few days ago and my university semester starts later this month. I honestly regret subscribing these few months, there was nothing for me to enjoy.

I remember people telling me in the June BTS to be patient. Patience my ass.

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07-Jul-2013 13:09:39 - Last edited on 07-Jul-2013 13:10:12 by Southeaster