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Matchgirl42
Jul Member 2011

Matchgirl42

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Remember how in school or someone told you there were 3 words in assume? yea, besides that. Just did a rough count ( I will even invite you to do a count yourself):

Roughly 72K accounts logged in currently.

Rough estimate of players in EoC: 44K

72-44= 28 x 1000= 28K

That is a rough 28K discrepancy in player count. The only sensible solution to that would be 07 is included (FYI- the foreign servers have a negligible amount of people on them).

If you do not want to do the rough count yourself, then all blame is on you for not putting in the effort.

and in all honesty, using the "market excuse" for a voice is ambiguous. It can either be the same few people buying their products over and over, creating a false positive (inflated opinion), or in the less common case, everyone buying a small share in their product.

But, notice what I said about the vocal minority being a representation of the whole community. nice try in trying to twist my words.

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Hey! You finally proved your own claim you made several posts ago. Good for you! And you didn't have to pawn off the responsibility for proving your assertion onto someone in the HLF! Yay!

(You do realize that, in debate, you have to prove your claims, right?)

And...you prove my point there. You are completely dismissing the view of the vice president and general manager (since 2001, mind you) of a company that produces games and has the third largest revenue after Nintendo and Activision Blizzard. But hey, what does he know, right? His view undermines your opinion, so he *must* be wrong!!! Those must be some pretty spiffy rose-tinted glasses you've got. Did you have to pay extra?

And you can't twist things around then accuse me of twisting your words. You claimed that the vocal minority was crucial input to companies making decisions about their games, I refuted that claim with a direct quote. You can't accept it, that's your problem. My motto is to be nice if I can, but also to not suffer trolls.

24-Jun-2013 06:02:50

Matchgirl42
Jul Member 2011

Matchgirl42

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and so far the record has shown the vocal minority is representative of the majority in terms of playerbase. I fail to see your relevant point here.

And I could tell you the EoC Survey in the BETA is questionable at best too because of the obvious biases involved in that too. So again, I fail to see your relevant point.

and differing opinions just reinforces the idea that the vocal minority is representative of the majority.

Take off your rose-tinted glasses. Off? Good.

1)The very legitimacy of the FT/wildy vote is contested. Therefore, the results are not indicative of the viewpoint of the whole of RS players.
2)The EoC survey in the beta was more legitimate than the FT/wildy because, as memory serves, a login with p/w was required. While that doesn't make it 100% indicative of the viewpoint of the whole of RS players, it is more so than the FT/wildy vote.
3)"and so far the record has shown the vocal minority is representative of the majority in terms of playerbase." I refer you back to point 1.
4)"and differing opinions just reinforces the idea that the vocal minority is representative of the majority" Uh, no. You really have no idea what vocal minority even means, do you? Any knowledgeable statistician would laugh their socks off at the idea of a vocal minority (read: self-selected sample) being representative of the majority. Heck, I only took statistics 1&2 as math electives last year for my computer science degree and I'm laughing so hard I've got tears rolling down my face. My motto is to be nice if I can, but also to not suffer trolls.

24-Jun-2013 06:13:36

Ell Bag_PE
Nov Member 2009

Ell Bag_PE

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I'm sorry, but I don't agree with this method of transportation. I have been wanting to say something about it for quite sometime. As a veteran player, this makes teleporting and world traveling so easy and un-adventurous to players. I would like to see certain lode stone taking at LEAST a certain mage level to access, as well as something called "runes" that seem to have slightly disappeared from the game content. Thanks, I hope my feedback will be taken into consideration. ENGINEER, MBA 🤓

24-Jun-2013 06:52:53

Aedan_32
Jun Member 2021

Aedan_32

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Not going to sugar coat it... some of you must not have jobs or something. Working full time leaves me with not too much time to play sometimes and I would rather be questing or doing something fun rather than spending what time I do have running from point A to B.

24-Jun-2013 08:50:11

Dragon NATM
Dec Member 2023

Dragon NATM

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I agree with Aedan_32, and also as a Veteran player I can say that I'd rather spend my time doing something enjoyable than running. But runes have disappeared and it's very sad. There's almost no point having runes any more. It breaks my 99 mage heart.
Speaking of loadstones though, I agree with a lot of people saying that the next set shouldn't be just a free handout. I loved the desert loadstone. The fact that you have to do the DT Quest in order to unlock it. I think that’s a brilliant idea. A decent reward for a fair amount of effort put into it. They don't all have to be quests, but it shouldn't be as easy as: 'walk onto this circle please'.
Like maybe the Canifis loadstone could be available to be unlocked once you have defeated a werewolf in human form (requiring the quest), or stuff a shark etc. at the taxidermist? Something like that would be acceptable to me.

24-Jun-2013 09:22:49

Team Skull
Aug Member 2008

Team Skull

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"You are completely dismissing the view of the vice president and general manager (since 2001, mind you) of a company that produces games and has the third largest revenue after Nintendo and Activision Blizzard. But hey, what does he know, right? His view undermines your opinion, so he *must* be wrong!!!"

Oh, I am not doubting their success at all. What I'm saying is that take any official word said by any company exec at face value. will explain why later. But, for this comment, I'ma give you an example, and common sense should tell you the right answer:

Say there are 100 people invested in a company. said company introduces something that 90 of the 100 do not like, and the 90 show their concern for it. However, the remaining 10 buy into said introduction, and it increases their profit ten fold, out-buying the other 90 in the process. Now, who is in the majority- the 90 that do not like it, or the 10 that do?

"Those must be some pretty spiffy rose-tinted glasses you've got. Did you have to pay extra?"

If anyone has rose-tinted glasses, it's you. Company Execs are PAID to spin facts, statements, whathaveyou in a positive light in an attempt to please their shareholders/consumer base. Essentially, to try and maintain good PR/Public Image by speaking in half truths. any competent Business Administration major can tell you this.

continued "Revenge...is like a rolling stone, which, when a man hath forced up a hill, will return upon him with a greater violence, and break those bones whose sinews gave it motion."- Jeremy Taylor

24-Jun-2013 09:33:47 - Last edited on 24-Jun-2013 09:34:47 by Team Skull

SHILs Superb

SHILs Superb

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An awful update! :@
Very mad about this so i wont even bother giving a feedback..

Just why did i have to work for Canifis teleport portal in my house ?
Why did i have to unlock and heal spirit trees ?
Why did i quested mad and killed elves for their teleport crystals ?
Whats the worth of enchanted lyre ?

Though maybe somebody wanted it, but it doesnt mean anyone needed this ****!! :@ :@

Why not update stuff that is broken and bad?! NO MORE STUPID BABY CONTENT!!
I have not used a single teleportation spell since, i cant remember, last 5 months ?

24-Jun-2013 09:48:07

Team Skull
Aug Member 2008

Team Skull

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"And you can't twist things around then accuse me of twisting your words. You claimed that the vocal minority was crucial input to companies making decisions about their games"

Please tell me how a company gets feedback from people that never talk, the supposed "majority". I really want to know this one. Money just tells you financial success. it does not tell you about internal matters.

Also tell me how a company patches a bug that they weren't aware about without spending hundreds of thousands easily on a bug testing team. Tell me this one.

"1)The very legitimacy of the FT/wildy vote is contested. Therefore, the results are not indicative of the viewpoint of the whole of RS players."

Would be considered more legitimate than the EoC survey by miles. I'll explain why later.

"2)The EoC survey in the beta was more legitimate than the FT/wildy because, as memory serves, a login with p/w was required"

Please, don't make me laugh too hard. where do you want me to start as to just how discredible the survey was? The Selection Bias? Voluntary Response Bias? Non-Response Bias? Analytical Bias? please tell me which one and I'll explain it to you.

In the wildy/FT vote, anyone could vote. Granted, alts could vote, but alts COULD have also been counted in the EoC survey, so there's no relevant difference there. Essentially, there was no Selection Bias. Now, Non-Response Bias can only be determined from official records from that time as to total accounts, but the Voluntary Response stands, as it's hard to maintain a poll like that since most involved had strong opinions on it. For Analytical Bias, even with skewed results, it's hard to circumvent the fact that 91% of votes were for Free Trade/Wilderness' return.

continued "Revenge...is like a rolling stone, which, when a man hath forced up a hill, will return upon him with a greater violence, and break those bones whose sinews gave it motion."- Jeremy Taylor

24-Jun-2013 09:57:08

Team Skull
Aug Member 2008

Team Skull

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"'and differing opinions just reinforces the idea that the vocal minority is representative of the majority' Uh, no. You really have no idea what vocal minority even means, do you? Any knowledgeable statistician would laugh their socks off at the idea of a vocal minority (read: self-selected sample) being representative of the majority."

And any competent economist would tell you that microeconomics are linked to the health of macroeconomics. your fallacious arguments amuse me.

It's the same case for communities- the various microcommunities (vocal minorities) and their opinions often determine (the link) the health of the macrocommunity (the big picture).

So.....yea- wanna contest that? "Revenge...is like a rolling stone, which, when a man hath forced up a hill, will return upon him with a greater violence, and break those bones whose sinews gave it motion."- Jeremy Taylor

24-Jun-2013 10:08:08 - Last edited on 24-Jun-2013 10:15:11 by Team Skull

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