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Ivysaur
Feb Member 2010

Ivysaur

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Unbelievable how you manage to make more and more existing content of the game obsolete...

Stop doing this!!

If you add them anyways atleast make it a challenge to unlock them, like adding them to highend quest rewards.

24-Jun-2013 00:39:24

Death Dagon
Oct Member 2021

Death Dagon

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Seriously... stop the BS statement, "If you don't like them, don't use them".
Majority of us who are against this update aren't complaining about us using all of the Lodestones but instead, we're mainly complaining about how it turns achievements (not the Tasks) that unlocked such areas, very useless.

There is a Facebook Like button on the bottom of the screen. They should add a Dislike button next to it. That way, it could give us a true view about how majority of players actually feel about updates.

24-Jun-2013 00:51:57

Kuhrizmuh

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I think it's a pretty cool idea to be able to teleport to more main areas in an easier fashion. But anything you try to do, people will find a way to complain about it.

Basically, the same people that are complaining about 'dead content' are complaining about this, when in reality quite a bit of the 'dead content' is dead partially due to the fact that it's difficult to reach.

It's like complaining about there being job loss, but then advancing more by designing robots/electronics to do our jobs for us.

I worked hard for my teleports as well, whether it be questing or leveling. But why should that be a deciding factor in whether or not it's a good or bad update?

One could argue that the teleports we had before lodestones made it too easy to get around, and there actually were. Yet without teleports, people would complain that it is much too difficult to get around. I guess it's somewhat of a redundancy to use the statement "Well if you don't like it, don't use it!" But that's kind of the way it is here. I mean, if it really bothers you to the point where you have to take time out of your day to complain about it, then maybe you should reevaluate your decision to continue playing on the EOC server.

One could also say that me taking time out of my day to complain about others complaining is being a hypocrite, and I would agree with you.

Moral of the story is that regardless of anything that happens, no matter how minor or major it is, there will be people that like it and dislike it. However, constant arguing and shouting that the other person is wrong isn't the way to go about it. Instead of doing that, why not come together as a community and raise your voice with a compromise?

If we continue on this path, then no, Runescape will NOT grow. Would you decide to live in a hostile community? I wouldn't. What happened to the friendly players willing to sacrifice and help others out for the good of RUNESCAPE? Have we become so Elitist?

24-Jun-2013 00:53:00 - Last edited on 24-Jun-2013 00:54:28 by Kuhrizmuh

Mr Zhongli
Jan Member 2023

Mr Zhongli

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Anyone else remember when you used to see a kid with a skill cape and say this kids a badass? Remember the adventures traveling all across ***lenor walking when you were just starting the game? Remember the spirit of the game? No more.... We have skill capes from 1-99 in 3 days, we have 5 seconds to get from one end of the world to another, we have a game that has no challenge. I've seen a lvl 132 soloing bandos ffs! Some change is good but you shouldn't be able to achieve what used to take months in 3 days. I'm not aposed to some lodestones but there are just too many. Please reconsider jagex, don't ruin the game that you created

24-Jun-2013 01:15:28

SwindlerOSRS

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FrigusFabula - I don't know why Jagex should listen to non-paying players (like yourself) about member features.

They should listen if they actually want more people to pay to gain more features and keep RuneScape online.

24-Jun-2013 01:33:52

Matchgirl42
Jul Member 2011

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FrigusFabula - I don't know why Jagex should listen to non-paying players (like yourself) about member features.

If you have to resort to bashing the free game/f2p, then you've just lost the argument.

Talk about elitism! It's negativity like that that will ruin Runescape, not updates. My motto is to be nice if I can, but also to not suffer trolls.

24-Jun-2013 01:38:20

Team Skull
Aug Member 2008

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I'll anticipate someone from the high level forums or a mod saying for sure one way or another, then. Of course, until then, I can only assume that I am correct. :)

And obviously you haven't been reading the opinions elsewhere on the web of the vocal minority in MMROPGs. To quote Nick Earl, senior vice president and general manager of EA's All Play label : "The market has spoken very loudly that that's the model they like," Earl said. "Even though there's some vocal minority that don't like it, ultimately the numbers would show that they and others all support the freemium model better."

That's the problem with believing the hype/rose tinted world view from within the vocal minority. The self-importance is artifically inflated. (I found another quote from Mark Gerhard, but running out of space so I'll post it in another response.)

Remember how in school or someone told you there were 3 words in assume? yea, besides that. Just did a rough count ( I will even invite you to do a count yourself):

Roughly 72K accounts logged in currently.

Rough estimate of players in EoC: 44K

72-44= 28 x 1000= 28K

That is a rough 28K discrepancy in player count. The only sensible solution to that would be 07 is included (FYI- the foreign servers have a negligible amount of people on them).

If you do not want to do the rough count yourself, then all blame is on you for not putting in the effort.

and in all honesty, using the "market excuse" for a voice is ambiguous. It can either be the same few people buying their products over and over, creating a false positive (inflated opinion), or in the less common case, everyone buying a small share in their product.

But, notice what I said about the vocal minority being a representation of the whole community. nice try in trying to twist my words.

continued "Revenge...is like a rolling stone, which, when a man hath forced up a hill, will return upon him with a greater violence, and break those bones whose sinews gave it motion."- Jeremy Taylor

24-Jun-2013 05:06:49

Team Skull
Aug Member 2008

Team Skull

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"When considering game-changing decisions such as this we always hold our players' ultimate game experience firmly in mind," said Mark Gerhard, Jagex CEO. "We have released a host of new content which provides a comparable PvP experience to the old Wilderness and mechanics to allow increased trade limits with long term friends but we are still regularly told by players that they want more. We want to find out whether the passionate voices we hear on this topic are truly representative of the entire community or just a vocal minority. If the vast majority of our players support the campaign then we will restore these features to the game as quickly as possible."

and so far the record has shown the vocal minority is representative of the majority in terms of playerbase. I fail to see your relevant point here.

"And before you go on about how the free trade/wildy vote was a success and shows how important the vocal minority is, allow me to remind you that there are still wide-spread complaints to this day about how that vote was handled that calls its legitimacy into question"

And I could tell you the EoC Survey in the BETA is questionable at best too because of the obvious biases involved in that too. So again, I fail to see your relevant point.

and differing opinions just reinforces the idea that the vocal minority is representative of the majority. "Revenge...is like a rolling stone, which, when a man hath forced up a hill, will return upon him with a greater violence, and break those bones whose sinews gave it motion."- Jeremy Taylor

24-Jun-2013 05:12:07

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