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Webmaster453
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Immortalized said :
Webmaster453 said :
The makeover mage has been in the game for longer than Pollnivneach. Webmaster453 said :
Pollnivneach was released April 2005 and makeover mage's gender changing was September 2005. Don't see the point being made here or relation to thread. Sure you don't. Pretending you don't know what nouns are in a topic about names and titles isn't the great tactic you think it is.

03-Apr-2023 22:29:30

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Immortalized said :
This thread is about diversity failures as outlined in the first post. Something about the makeover mage has nothing to do with the subject. It's also about diversity triumphs for the diversity you care about. Any diversity you don't like is painted as off topic by you.

03-Apr-2023 22:53:59

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Immortalized said :
This thread is about diversity failures as outlined in the first post. Something about the makeover mage has nothing to do with the subject. It's also about diversity triumphs for the diversity you care about. Any diversity you don't like is painted as off topic by you. The title is literally "Diversity failures in RS3/OSRS" not diversity triumphs. It is a failure that Jagex's actions are incongruent with their apparent desire to address diversity issues. Whatever you are talking about has nothing to do with that, unless you want to elaborate in a way that is not a pointless tangent about some discussion that happened on another thread which has nothing to do with this. Buy Zemomarks / Chromatic Partyhats safely here

03-Apr-2023 23:12:16

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Pretending you don't understand what you yourself wrote is also a bad tactic.

Immortalized said :
I want to talk about a sensitive subject. On February 24, 2020, a patch was made:

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The word ‘Gypsy’ has been removed from Aris’ name and examine text as this word could be interpreted as a racial slur.
Various NPCs in Karamja have been given more appropriate titles.
Various NPCs in the Kharidian Desert have had their name changed from 'Ali' to better reflect the diverse variety of names we see in real life.
Some dialogue in the Kindred Spirits quest has been altered to remove unintended offense.
I have come to agree with this as a positive update.

You started the topic by mentioning a diversity update you agree with.

03-Apr-2023 23:47:19

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I must be talking to a robot. I agree with the update, because it addressed diversity issues. But, as I have clearly outlined, this is not a diversity triumph, because Jagex's inaction have shown they do not really care about diversity, since the update was only applied to RS3 and there are more examples found in game that they missed. If you think me agreeing with the update means it is a triumph of diversity, this thread would not even need to exist. At this point I have to assume you are either having trouble comprehending this subject or just trolling, but in any case it is totally irrelevant to the subject. Buy Zemomarks / Chromatic Partyhats safely here

04-Apr-2023 02:39:22

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Immortalized said :
I must be talking to a robot. I agree with the update, because it addressed diversity issues. But, as I have clearly outlined, this is not a diversity triumph, because Jagex's inaction have shown they do not really care about diversity, since the update was only applied to RS3 and there are more examples found in game that they missed. If you think me agreeing with the update means it is a triumph of diversity, this thread would not even need to exist. At this point I have to assume you are either having trouble comprehending this subject or just trolling, but in any case it is totally irrelevant to the subject. You ever hear the expression "Lost the battle but won the war" or vice versa?

So Jagex's pro-diversity action means they're actually apathetic to diversity and never did anything at all but you liked the nothing?

Jagex missed one character that's not in Pollnivneach, far away from Pollnivneach, and not even named Ali.

The RS3 and Oldschool teams are autonomous so at best you can conclude the Oldschool team is apathetic.

You can just ignore what I said to Torgue. We(not Torgue. You and I) are both pro-diversity and the only disagreement we have is I'm even more accepting of diversity.

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I will rephrase the entire thread for you since you are struggling.

Jagex consciously acknowledged they had failures in diversity, and attempted to make amends by renaming a lot of NPCs with names that were seen as offensive.

You could give Jagex the benefit of the doubt and say they made a good attempt. I will not give them that benefit of the doubt because:

1) They missed an NPC blatantly in the same general area with the same issue
2) They chose not to apply the update to OSRS
3) Lack of follow-up on #1 indicates they aren't really interested in truly resolving this problem
4) Lack of action on #2 indicates that elements of OSRS are racist (their words)

Altogether this is ultimately a failure, because it is an issue they should have never touched if they were not really committed to resolving it properly. Jagex could have the excuse of simply not knowing better, and yet they do know better, since they acknowledged the problem and made a botched attempt to fix it. Now that they have brought attention to it they deserve condemnation, because we are being told the reason they did this is due to diversity and racism, and yet they refuse to apply the update to OSRS or follow up on missed instances of the issue in RS3.

So yes, I applaud the original update, because it is something that should have happened, along with numerous updates afterward in the same chain. However, since none of those additional updates happened, I am offended more that Jagex knows full well their game has racist elements and is deliberately choosing not to do anything about it. We are instead supposed to take this update as an offering by them to fix it, as they at the same time backslap us by leaving the issue in the game in other areas and completely avoiding the update altogether in OSRS which has more players.

Imagine a "friend" telling you he cares for you and buys you flowers once. Then you never hear from him ever again and he talks behind your back to everyone else you know. Buy Zemomarks / Chromatic Partyhats safely here

04-Apr-2023 05:19:15 - Last edited on 04-Apr-2023 05:19:52 by Immortalized

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Immortalized said :
So yes, I applaud the original update, You don't need all the superfluous blabbing.

We don't need an analogy.
Jagex is not your friend. They're a business that did something you like but not enough. Like I told you before we don't have a disagreement.

04-Apr-2023 05:29:59

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