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Rishinger IV

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Immortalized said :
I want to talk about a sensitive subject. I have come to agree with this as a positive update. Calling everybody "Ali" is quite simply offensive, borderline racist, as they are real people too, not, 'oh another Ali' in the desert. Same for "Tribesman" and "Gypsy" being renamed, as this was borderline racist as said.

Clearly....you have never even bothered reading the lore for "the feud" quest.

In The fued quest, when the mayor died a large inheritence was to be left to his nephew named Ali, so in order to try and get their hands on the mayors inheritance everyone in the town legally changed their names to ali.

Also, i don't see you complaining about all of the white barbarians being named barbarian, or all the guards being named guards, or the dwarves being named dwarves,

Why is it you specifically say that only the Tribesmen being called "Tribesman" is racist?
If you're going to advocate for diversity then you should advocate it for all races.
And the very simple reason as to why many NPC's have generic names is to make it easier to handle the game.

Programming wise it gives you farrrrrrr less headaches to name the 1,000 men wandering glenior as "man" and use the same 3 or 4 models instead of creating a unique model for each one and making sure that every single character has it's own unique name programmed in.

31-Mar-2023 11:41:43

Mar

2006

Immortalized

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Rishinger IV said :
Immortalized said :
I want to talk about a sensitive subject. I have come to agree with this as a positive update. Calling everybody "Ali" is quite simply offensive, borderline racist, as they are real people too, not, 'oh another Ali' in the desert. Same for "Tribesman" and "Gypsy" being renamed, as this was borderline racist as said.

Clearly....you have never even bothered reading the lore for "the feud" quest.

In The fued quest, when the mayor died a large inheritence was to be left to his nephew named Ali, so in order to try and get their hands on the mayors inheritance everyone in the town legally changed their names to ali.

Also, i don't see you complaining about all of the white barbarians being named barbarian, or all the guards being named guards, or the dwarves being named dwarves,

Why is it you specifically say that only the Tribesmen being called "Tribesman" is racist?
If you're going to advocate for diversity then you should advocate it for all races.
And the very simple reason as to why many NPC's have generic names is to make it easier to handle the game.

Programming wise it gives you farrrrrrr less headaches to name the 1,000 men wandering glenior as "man" and use the same 3 or 4 models instead of creating a unique model for each one and making sure that every single character has it's own unique name programmed in. The lore does not detract from it being offensive, this is the stance Jagex has made.

I would not disagree with giving barbarians better names, we know they are actually Fremmenik anyway.

Jagex's system allows them to rename NPCs and reuse same model. That's why every demon flash mob has a unique name. Buy Zemomarks / Chromatic Partyhats safely here

02-Apr-2023 16:48:32

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2015

Tenebri

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Immortalized said :
Rishinger IV said :
Immortalized said :
I want to talk about a sensitive subject. I have come to agree with this as a positive update. Calling everybody "Ali" is quite simply offensive, borderline racist, as they are real people too, not, 'oh another Ali' in the desert. Same for "Tribesman" and "Gypsy" being renamed, as this was borderline racist as said.

Clearly....you have never even bothered reading the lore for "the feud" quest.

In The fued quest, when the mayor died a large inheritence was to be left to his nephew named Ali, so in order to try and get their hands on the mayors inheritance everyone in the town legally changed their names to ali.

Also, i don't see you complaining about all of the white barbarians being named barbarian, or all the guards being named guards, or the dwarves being named dwarves,

Why is it you specifically say that only the Tribesmen being called "Tribesman" is racist?
If you're going to advocate for diversity then you should advocate it for all races.
And the very simple reason as to why many NPC's have generic names is to make it easier to handle the game.

Programming wise it gives you farrrrrrr less headaches to name the 1,000 men wandering glenior as "man" and use the same 3 or 4 models instead of creating a unique model for each one and making sure that every single character has it's own unique name programmed in. The lore does not detract from it being offensive, this is the stance Jagex has made.

So whats offensive about it again?
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02-Apr-2023 22:43:11

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2020

mr togue

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Tenebri said :
mr togue said :

why get offended,,,, if you dont like what you see,,,egnor it,,,, why do people have to make a big deal about crap

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i play games to get away from the world ... just for a few mins i can go to places i cant go,, do things that are super human,,, to escape the horrors of reality,,, this is why i do not want this crap in my games,,, if i want that i can not play games at all...

i think this person explained it why they got offended

i havnt included their name or link to it as the thread is now locked

you have quoted me out of context,,,

there is a difference between some thing that was in the game and demanding some thing to be forced into the game for inclusive reasons

the name ali was in the game from the start,,it was the NPC name,,, it was not insultive it was not mockery.. it was not racism,, , the statement you quoted was in reference because a small group wants to
demand
the game to be changed to be included in the game ... big difference,,,

what's really sad is you are a experienced former,, and you know what you just did is a major foo par .. i dont agree with most every thing you write but i had respect for you till now ,,, you are clearly twisting crap to make you look impressive, shame on you

you failed to try and shine me as a hypocrite .

for other former readers reference ... he quoted my post from another thread talking about a similar subject

02-Apr-2023 23:21:14 - Last edited on 03-Apr-2023 00:01:50 by mr togue

Nov

2003

A Cole

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mr togue said :
there is a difference between some thing that was in the game and demanding some thing to be forced into the game for inclusive reasons

the name ali was in the game from the start,,it was the NPC name,,, it was not insultive it was not mockery.. it was not racism,, , the statement you quoted was in reference because a small group wants to demand the game to be changed to be included in the game ... big difference,,, I'm intrigued. Which group is demanding this "thing" you talk about into the game?

I've not seen any evidence of a group demanding such a thing. Can you please point me in the right direction?

For what it's worth, what Tenebri quoted does hold some weight. Why say "

why get offended,,,, if you dont like what you see,,,egnor it,,, [sic]

" if you can't follow your own advice? Subject matter shouldn't make any difference.

As we all know, everyone has stronger feelings about different topics than others. If you have a strong feeling, whether it be positive or negative, about one topic, and other people have strong feelings on topics that you have little regard over, then you should give them the same respect that you would want in return.

I think what you said is spot on. If you don't like it, it can be ignored. Unless it's flagrantly insulting that is.

Immortalized clearly has a negative feeling regarding this topic. However, I am unable to give either support or non-support on this matter due to 1. Not being affected by the content personally, and 2. Not understanding the full scale of the topic enough in this context.

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03-Apr-2023 00:42:03

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2021

Webmaster453

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mr togue said :
there is a difference between some thing that was in the game and demanding some thing to be forced into the game for inclusive reasons The makeover mage has been in the game for longer than Pollnivneach. It's weird how you and Immortalized were on the same page in the locked topic. Now you and they are on opposite ends.

03-Apr-2023 01:26:07 - Last edited on 03-Apr-2023 02:14:21 by Webmaster453

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2015

Tenebri

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mr togue said :

you have quoted me out of context,,,

you failed to try and shine me as a hypocrite .

nope definitely not out of context. the quote i used was from someone that was explaining why they are offended by something being in game. that answered your question

i didnt add your name nor did i add link to the thread where it came from. that wasnt my intention. so please dont make it out im doing something devious.

if you truely think my actions were to call you out or be negative in anyway. then you know the forum help v3 thread is there

you know it well.

all i did was quote a phrase that answered your own question, which yes you said but it worked well to do that. again i repeat i purposely did not add your name to it nor a link to find out where it came from. you did that now. so now everyone knows this. this did not come from me.

the statement still stands as is.,

hopefully this settles any confusion as to why i posted your quote. and understand there was no malicious intention what i posted. (as your accusation implies)

thats all i need to say the other posts above ^^ are the only thing i would add but theres no need to repeat it. especially as what they have quoted is the only thing related to the topic.
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03-Apr-2023 11:29:56 - Last edited on 03-Apr-2023 11:43:32 by Tenebri

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2006

Immortalized

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Tenebri said :
So whats offensive about it again? It did not reflect the diverse variety of names we see in real life. Imagine everyone in Karamja is just named Rasheed. Or everyone in Misthalin and Kandarin is named Karen. But if you went to, for example, the eastern lands, everyone had a unique name. There was clearly a bias in the game such that certain cultures/ethnicities in the game had more thoughtful design, and others just existed as a joke for you to laugh at. Buy Zemomarks / Chromatic Partyhats safely here

03-Apr-2023 15:56:46

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2006

Immortalized

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Webmaster453 said :
The makeover mage has been in the game for longer than Pollnivneach. It's weird how you and Immortalized were on the same page in the locked topic. Now you and they are on opposite ends. This has nothing to do with the topic at all. Also the Makeover Mage did not even change his own sex when it was originally introduced in the game, for whatever point you are trying to make about how long something has been in the game. He was originally just a man, that never changed to a woman ever, it was only a later update years past his introduction that retconned him into doing that. Buy Zemomarks / Chromatic Partyhats safely here

03-Apr-2023 15:58:48

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2021

Webmaster453

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Immortalized said :
Webmaster453 said :
The makeover mage has been in the game for longer than Pollnivneach. It's weird how you and Immortalized were on the same page in the locked topic. Now you and they are on opposite ends. This has nothing to do with the topic at all. Also the Makeover Mage did not even change his own sex when it was originally introduced in the game, for whatever point you are trying to make about how long something has been in the game. He was originally just a man, that never changed to a woman ever, it was only a later update years past his introduction that retconned him into doing that. This topic is about name diversity and the makeover mage is so diverse they go by a title and two names. Names and titles are nouns.

If you want to get pedantic, Pollnivneach was released April 2005 and makeover mage's gender changing was September 2005. If you want to go against yourself and say Torgue is correct because a few months then go ahead.

03-Apr-2023 21:51:01

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