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Telcis

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Anders Dreth said :

Right okay, fair enough - that makes it redundant then. However, in my personal opinion it's dishonorable to buy a company from someone and shit all over their promise and legacy, no matter the reason. I don't see how that choice can be defended morally, unless it was absolutely tanking their resources for some reason.
Well the reasons they gave for closing RSC were pretty convincing.

Firstly, they didn't have anyone that was familiar with the code to fix any problems that could occur. Which means any bugs wouldn't be able to be fixed. It also means that any future exploits in security regarding that version of Java would not be able to be patched either.

I'm sure you could agree that having to close the game due to it breaking or becoming unsafe for both Jagex and the players (security wise) is much worse than organizing a definite closing point and announcing it well in advance. I'm sure they did the best with what they had.

31-Oct-2018 03:34:20

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with all due respect, I work for a major company as a software engineer under an $800,000 USD annual support contract with Oracle and so I believe I am uniquely qualified in this very particular scenario to inform you that you have have absolutely no idea WTF you just wrote

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It also means that any future exploits in security regarding that version of Java would not be able to be patched either.
java is a runtime. like a car engine. if there is a defect in your car engine you replace it with a new one the dealership provides. same for java. there is no hypothetical situation where jagex is forced to run an older version of java.

not only that, oracle is contractually obligated by literally hundreds of companies to continue supporting their own commercial application portfolio which includes multiple software running on various versions of java, so even if there were a (purely hypothetical) "breaking update", they would still be providing security patches to the older runtimes just to support their own products

Telcis said :
I don't think the nice folks at Oracle will work on Jagex's programs to fix security flaws.
I don't think you understand software engineering. software versioning builds upon the previous version. it doesn't take away (unless "deprecated", etc). if you write something in java today it will work in java 5000 years from now. and if there's a security vulnerability in JAVA itself (not your code), all you have to do is update the engine to the newer and safer one where it is patched.

and even in the hypothetical situation that there are security vulnerabilities in rsc (which means they have not been identified for 17 years), with $800,000 USD in a support contract you literally would have "folks at Oracle" analyzing your code for security flaws. that is literally what big companies do.

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01-Nov-2018 06:23:11

Telcis

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Immortalized said :
with $800,000 USD in a support contract
So does RSC bring in enough cash for a $800,000 USD support contract?
Nope.

So its unlikely that Jagex would consider a support contract with Oracle a viable option. Which means they don't have the good folks at Oracle checking their code. Which means vulnerabilities, which means risk mitigation.

01-Nov-2018 23:35:35

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You must have some cash to offer to pay for a server. It depends on the web hosting company and the cost for servers can be pretty costly. The VIP Classic servers at most had 10-17 people online at a time. It was a pretty much dead community.

It was quite sad though to see they said they would keep it up for the VIPs, but looks like that changed. I own a business and every dollar counts. You were generous enough to offer to host a server, but they'd never do that. If I owned Jagex, I would deny you too. Not because I was an evil CEO, but it just is legally complicated as you'd be a contractor of Jagex since it is their property etc.

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02-Nov-2018 00:43:20

Immortalized
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Telcis said :
So does RSC bring in enough cash for a $800,000 USD support contract?
Nope.

i didn't know only rsc used java

Telcis said :
So its unlikely that Jagex would consider a support contract with Oracle a viable option.
so you think they don't have one already?

Telcis said :
Which means they don't have the good folks at Oracle checking their code. Which means vulnerabilities, which means risk mitigation. Immortalized said :
I don't think you understand software engineering. software versioning builds upon the previous version. it doesn't take away (unless "deprecated", etc). if you write something in java today it will work in java 5000 years from now. and if there's a security vulnerability in JAVA itself (not your code), all you have to do is update the engine to the newer and safer one where it is patched.

and even in the hypothetical situation that there are security vulnerabilities in rsc (which means they have not been identified for 17 years), with $800,000 USD in a support contract you literally would have "folks at Oracle" analyzing your code for security flaws. that is literally what big companies do.

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02-Nov-2018 14:53:06 - Last edited on 02-Nov-2018 15:26:42 by Immortalized

Telcis

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Rob said :
Some people just don’t know when to accept the fact that they are indeed, the wrong ones.

But like you said, Immortalized, it’s all about that post count these days.
Even IF I am wrong, that's just my interpretation of what Jagex said as their reasons.
Its certainly not the only reason they have given and you should certainly not hold an argument to a single point.

@Immoratlized, do you believe that Runescape will always be Java? Do you know what the NXT engine runs on?
I do think that Jagex looked into these concerns and has acted accordingly. Do you have proof otherwise?
I would very much like to see it.

03-Nov-2018 02:05:48

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