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Chief Elf
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Telcis said :
I think this thread will last enough time for one of two things to happen:
1. OP gets bored and lets this thread die.
2. OP understands why this happened and then knowingly lets the tread die.

Until then, I guess they will be stuck in a perpetual loop of expecting unreasonable demands.


To be fair, I find it admirable that the OP personally offered to support one of the servers. If that's not caring for the community I don't know what is. I don't know too many players who have offered to do the same.
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21-Apr-2019 17:23:10

Draco Burnz
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Chief Elf said :


To be fair, I find it admirable that the OP personally offered to support one of the servers. If that's not caring for the community I don't know what is. I don't know too many players who have offered to do the same.


Yes but saying things and actually doing them are 2 completely different things.

I mean this is the internet after all and ppl can say w/e fills their head.
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21-Apr-2019 17:24:02 - Last edited on 21-Apr-2019 17:24:48 by Draco Burnz

Chief Elf
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Draco Burnz said :
Chief Elf said :


To be fair, I find it admirable that the OP personally offered to support one of the servers. If that's not caring for the community I don't know what is. I don't know too many players who have offered to do the same.


Yes but saying things and actually doing them are 2 completely different things.


I get what you mean which is why I asked how long the OP planned on financially supporting the server.

But to me, the fact that he's offered is an action in itself.
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21-Apr-2019 17:25:32

Draco Burnz
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Chief Elf said :


I get what you mean which is why I asked how long the OP planned on financially supporting the server.

But to me, the fact that he's offered is an action in itself.


Meh, ppl can do/say w/e they want, but until theres proof of them actually doing it, I wouldn't personally buy it.
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21-Apr-2019 17:46:08

Chief Elf
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Draco Burnz said :
Chief Elf said :


I get what you mean which is why I asked how long the OP planned on financially supporting the server.

But to me, the fact that he's offered is an action in itself.


Meh, ppl can do/say w/e they want, but until theres proof of them actually doing it, I wouldn't personally buy it.


It's a fair argument. I believe in the same. However, I also do believe intention can be proven.
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21-Apr-2019 17:49:51

Rob
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Can someone remind me why the Gowers sold away their company?

From what I've read, Andrew didn't want the stress of leading - So he demoted himself essentially, then regretted the direction the game was going under new management so opted to bail out.


Also Rob can I ask you if you attempted to negotiate the price of maintaining the server. D'you reckon you would've been more successful if you offered a higher price to maintain the server?

While I certainly couldn't afford to "maintain" as in provide full support for the game, almost anyone could afford to maintain the game's unsupported ways it was already being operated as, meaning the cost of keeping the server running, and occasionally hiring a 3rd party to fix small issues that arise. Unfortunately a negotiation was never offered to me, I was shot down on the idea before money was ever mentioned.

23-Apr-2019 01:11:01

Rob
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I'm just curious on how long you were planning on maintaining the server before your finances were depleted.

Personally I would be willing to maintain a server for as long as I'm around, but obviously you never know if I'll be getting hit by a bus tomorrow. ;)


Unless you're telling me that it actually takes minimal effort to maintain the server? In the sense that all Jagex has to do is just run the programme?

I can positively tell you that it takes very minimal effort to maintain the server. Many of the issues the game would have could be solved by a simple server reboot. Unfortunately, all of my Jagex buddies are long gone, but I literally used to ask for someone to run down on lunch break to restart the server right quick, and it would be done. It was very minimal, Jagex as a company just didn't care enough to bother, aside from the few that I was personal friends with.


I'm just curious and want to understand more.

For me, if I had a server and it costed me a certain amount which I don't have the finances to maintain, and someone offered financial support, I would question how long I would have that financial support.

Trust me when I say that I am not the only one willing to back the monetary promise to keep a server running. There are literally dozens of others.

23-Apr-2019 01:11:07 - Last edited on 23-Apr-2019 01:27:21 by Rob

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Unless you're telling me that with the profit they've gained over the years, they should've been able to maintain the server now more than ever? Of course, how would you have privy of that knowledge?

I have no idea the exact profit that the game brought, but common sense tells you that while there may have only been 100-150 players on at a time, there were at least 1,000 active players that were paying for membership to play the game.

Let's say all of these players paid the MINIMAL rate of $5 USD (grandfathered price), that's $5,000 a month to keep a few computers running. No support, no updates, not even a simple server restart most of the time. Literally zero manpower for $5,000 a month profits.

The only thing I can personally think of is simply $5,000 wasn't much at all to the company in the big picture, so why bother with the hundreds of players that keep nagging for a little support here and there for the small profit of $5,000?


Have you considered the possibility that the Classic community population had plummeted to the point that the company saw fit to reasonably shut down the server?

It is in my personal opinion that the company should have left the game open, even one single server, so long as there was still a veteran player spending their time on it. Out of sheer respect to even one single player that helped get this company to the 75 MILLION euro yearly profit that it's earning today.


In any case, if they did have the codes, similar to Old School, don't you think it's possible to reclaim the server?

They do have the codes, they would not release them to allow another developer to take over sadly.

The servers are likely still there, collecting dust and powered off. I am quite confident that it would be a very simply process for Jagex to rummage out a server and boot it up again. Likely running in an hour's work, or less.


Hope this answered some of your questions.

23-Apr-2019 01:11:14 - Last edited on 23-Apr-2019 01:30:16 by Rob

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Chief Elf said :
Draco Burnz said :
Chief Elf said :


I get what you mean which is why I asked how long the OP planned on financially supporting the server.

But to me, the fact that he's offered is an action in itself.


Meh, ppl can do/say w/e they want, but until theres proof of them actually doing it, I wouldn't personally buy it.


It's a fair argument. I believe in the same. However, I also do believe intention can be proven.


If you're secretly a Jagex Moderator, contact me so I can send you money, let's get this ball rolling ;-)

23-Apr-2019 01:28:24

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