'The complaints about giving the title to rs wiki admins should have been expected and as such have a prepared response to allay these concerns. My opinion should have been all or nothing.'
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I agree, it should of been better planned where all the fansites could be acknowledged at the same time.
It doesn't appear that other fansites were given much thought. I haven't found anything on social media or on the other sites that indicates that they were.
I left several questions on the thread in RU about the title, but, I don't expect to receive an answer to them since I know the thread will be unpinned with the next update. Typically it appears that the Jmods only reply at the creation of the thread during the update.
With that said, what has been posted within The RuneScape Wiki Notes is pretty much what all we got as far as a prepared response to any concerns.
It is disappointing that forum based Jagex Official Approved Fansites, Rune HQ (2003), Tip.it (2001) & Sal's (2002) & Zybez (2005), which have been around much longer than RSW have to wait their turn, or in Mod Shaunys words, 'eventually we can begin to distribute the other fansites as well', (14.2).
I left RuneZone (2010) out of the aforementioned fansite lineup because it has long since been abandoned by its administrators, which is suprising considering who the administrators are. The last RS related home page post on this fansite was made in 2015.
One thing that all of these fansites do have in common, as well as, the Jagex Recognized Fansites & Jagex Recognized Foreign Language Sites is that they are all forum based fan sites.
The recognition & awarding of a appreciation title to the fansite that is not a forum based fansite tends to reinforce the general attitude that 'If people are naturally moving away from using forums then there is less reason to work on them' (10.10). This attitude is disheartening since Jagexs Official RSOF is also a forum based site.
The fact is, the Runescape Wikia isn't a fansite. It's an information database. There is a big difference between the two.
A fansite is a place where the fans gather together and converse about the topic they are all interested in. This is not what the Runescape Wikia is. People go to the Wikia for guides, not to talk to likeminded individuals.
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'Ooh, ooh,does this mean I get the title. I contributed a lot to the Darkscape wiki when it was running and the RS3 wiki. Seriously though, this title shouldn't even exist. And leaving it in the hands of players to decide who gets it, worst idea Jagex has ever had.'
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@Jack Flac , Hi, idk, tbh. Seems like RSW is handing the title out to everyone & their mother, so why shouldn't you get one too.
There appears to be a discussion thread on RSW Forums , Yew Grove > Sister Wikis & Affiliates for Wikian Title by Kent Knifen December 11, 2016. I will provide the OP & a few comment hightlights since it does mention DarkScape.
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A Official Jagex Approved Fansite
Sister Wikis & Affiliates for Wikian Title by Kent Knifen December 11, 2016
OP: So I understand from Runescape:The Wikian that people from the OSRS Wiki, RSC Wiki, and non-English Wikis will be able to be nominated in the next batch of nominations. However, the article makes no mention at all of Sister Wikis or of Affiliates. I was hoping we could get this out of the way now to avoid issues in the future as to whether or not other Sister Wikis and Affiliates would be considered for the title. The full list of Sister Wikis and Affiliates can be found at RuneScape: Links [1]
I was under the impression that this title is not meant to be exclusive, which is why I personally feel we should extend the offer to Sister Wikis and Affiliates. Many of these Sister Wikis have worked very hard to fill in gaps that this Wiki is not designed for (Such as DarkScape, RS Clans, RS Players, Funorb, etc...). It does not seem fair, in my opinion, that they should be excluded from the title for focusing on specific areas of the game instead of the overall game and the main Wiki.
Please share your thoughts, I am eager to hear what people think of this extension to the title.
Kent Knifen replies to a comment opposing including DarkScape with the following:
Response to above I agree that as DarkScape is dead, any "new" contributors to it should be excluded. However, when DarkScape was still around, there were plenty of valuable contributors on it, and it'd be a shame for them to have nothing to show for the work they put into that Wiki. In regards to the Clans and Players Wiki, the main Wiki does not allow articles about players or clans because it would clog this Wiki up too much. On the other hand, there are very famous players (Zezima, Durial321, tehnoobshow) and clans (Viking Ship, RS Unity, RoT, CPK) that players are naturally going to be searching for. If these Wikis didn't exist, there'd be no way to find information about notable figures in our game's community, which is why I feel contributors to their Wikis deserve the Wikian Title, especially since we're all part of Wiki as a whole. Kent Knifen - December 11, 2016
Gaz Lloyd, Admin responds:
Support for 2007scape and active non-English RS wikis - Per others. Of course, 2007scape only applies if the user also plays RS3.
We should be clear and have a list of wikis this will involve. For simplicity, I defined activity as having a few things (other than user creation log) in recent changes over the last 30 days. Subdomain wikis: 2007, de, fr, nl, pt, fi, pl. Obviously this shouldn't be a fixed list, but this is the state as of this edit. (For clarity, the affiliate/sister wikis defined on RS:LINKS that also fit the activity note as well are: runescapeclassic, rsplayers, runescapeclans, runescapefanfiction, funorb, runescape.answers, and aceofspades.info.) Gaz Lloyd 7:^] - December 11, 2016
RE: 15.10 Replying To: OMG! An Epiphany Moment. WHERE ARE OUR in-game RSOF TITLES?! Shouldn't we have gotten them before anyone else?
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'I thought the same
but how to decide who is worthy?! Give the power to fmods! pls no.
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If we can learn one thing from the RSW Titlegate mess is that working those things out before announcing that a in game title is available for distribution should be done first.
If we look at the post from the RSW Yew Grove thread by Kent Knifen, Gaz Lloyd, Admin has included additional requirements that are not outlined in the Guidelines on the RuneScape: The Wikian page that lets folks know who qualifies for the title. Those 'unknown' qualifiers that nobody knows about can be problematic. It also appears that he continues to expand on the bounds of the original intent of who the title was meant for, which can also be problematic.
RSW is the only Jagex Official Approved Fansite, that is, IMO, the implied original intent, who the title is for.
All of the information I have posted on the RSW Titlegate should be helpful as a reference point for future discussion points for a RSOF in game title.
Can you imagine if Mod Shauny posted a statement that a in game title was available for the RSOF & he was leaving it up to one person to decide who got to have the title without having all of those pesky little details worked out before the announcement?
'The fact is, the Runescape Wikia isn't a fansite. It's an information database. There is a big difference between the two.'
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I agree that the RSW is not a fansite by traditional standards. Nor is Reddit. But yet both of these sites were added to Jagexs Official Approved Fansite list. I wrote a bit about this on post 12.4-6. If I recall, both of these sites, (& RuneZone) were added to the fansite list during the last restructuring of the fansite system by Mod Infinity as he was the Fansite Coordinator at the time.
Prior to the restructuring of the fansite list but during this time frame is the 'in the past, we've had our differences with the RuneScape Wiki team...' that Mod Shauny spoke about in his post on the Patch Notes|5/12, Qfc 15-16-394-65857386.
I did have a thread up during that time about the changes being made to the fansite list, especially that Reddit went from being listed as a Jagex Approved social media website to a fansite.
IMO, neither RSW, which, like you said, is not a 'fansite' nor is Reddit a 'fansite' either. But yet here we are (RSOF) & all of the traditional fourm based Jagex Official Approved Fansites taking a back seat to both of them.
In the meantime, how do you like my 1st forum signature?
I like it. Definitely fitting given the current situation.
As for recieveing The Wikian title, I don't really care to be honest. That post was meant to be sarcasm for the most part. The title doesn't mean anything. I put in the effort I did on the Darkscape Wikia because of my love for the game, not because I expected a reward.
I will stand by the view that the title shouldn't exist.
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Double post...my bad. DW I will use it to post later on
In the meantime, how do you like my 1st forum signature?
In the recent past The RuneScape Community is slowly ripped apart and contaminated with Players who are eager in obtaining a title.
Sadly their well-known efforts, and Public Awards of being a Popular Resource, aren't enough so grabbing a title would create enough satisfaction, I guess?
Let me remind you for how long Moderators have been spit on for having a title, given by Jagex after a beforehand thorough examination, and complained about up to this day that it is quite contradicting what is happening on The RSOF.
In this Zarosian Era Players themselves are pinning the most loved titles on theirs chest boosting up their ego's. Woaw, amazing, selfish hero's.
'As for recieveing The Wikian title, I don't really care to be honest. That post was meant to be sarcasm for the most part. The title doesn't mean anything. I put in the effort I did on the Darkscape Wikia because of my love for the game, not because I expected a reward.
I will stand by the view that the title shouldn't exist.'
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@Jack Flac, Hi, you know the ol' saying, it takes one (that posts sarcasm, on occassion) to know one (post that has sarcastic elements to it).
Your sarcasm worked out to be a perfect lead in for providing the RSOF community with information on the new thread over on RSW. It does mention that some members of RSW community do support Darkscape Wiki contributors with being awarded the title too.
I agree that most people do put a lot of effort & time into contributing information to RSOF, fansites & platforms like wiki, just like you do, because of their love for the game & the community that they are contributing information to, not because they expected some type of reward for doing it.
I do understand the point of view that the title should not exist & that sentiment is shared by others, but the cat has been let out of the bag so to speak. That title is here to stay. After all Gaz Lloyd, Admin of RSW has used the title in game already, he tweeted a screen shot of it on the day Mod Shauny announced it.