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CM Nick

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Mr Brushie said :
BreakingBad said :
*nudes Jagex*


So that's how Pmods get chosen on this game. :O


But seriously, shouldn't you purple people eaters be like..."Hey yo, when you hired me you said this would happen, only it hasn't, so...like..." ...?


It's definitely been brought up in the past quite a few times, and there was always a technical/security hurdle that Jagex was working on that prevented it happening. I assume it's to do with JMod accounts requiring backend access, which as we know is a real pain to access if you're not in the Jagex office, and the fact that we're 3rd party... so there's probably a mess of legal framework and paperwork to go through to make it happen, in addition to the technical side.

We do everything we can with the tools we have, but unfortunately in regards to access to that, we're not really in a position to do much other than inquire to Jagex about it when we can. I still hold out hope that it'll happen eventually, as Jagex continues to keep us around and seem very happy with our work and has mentioned recently they're making strides with figuring it out.

Anyway, fingers crossed on this in the future, but for the time being unfortunately it's not really a viable alternative.
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03-May-2021 23:59:37 - Last edited on 04-May-2021 00:02:37 by CM Nick

BreakingBad
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CM Nick said :
Mr Brushie said :
BreakingBad said :
*nudes Jagex*


So that's how Pmods get chosen on this game. :O


But seriously, shouldn't you purple people eaters be like..."Hey yo, when you hired me you said this would happen, only it hasn't, so...like..." ...?


It's definitely been brought up in the past quite a few times, and there was always a technical/security hurdle that Jagex was working on that prevented it happening. I assume it's to do with JMod accounts requiring backend access, which as we know is a real pain to access if you're not in the Jagex office, and the fact that we're 3rd party... so there's probably a mess of legal framework and paperwork to go through to make it happen, in addition to the technical side.

We do everything we can with the tools we have, but unfortunately in regards to access to that, we're not really in a position to do much other than inquire to Jagex about it when we can. I still hold out hope that it'll happen eventually, as Jagex continues to keep us around and seem very happy with our work and has mentioned recently they're making strides with figuring it out.

Anyway, fingers crossed on this in the future, but for the time being unfortunately it's not really a viable alternative.


You'd hope they could amend the access to the forums instead of amending your accounts into 'Jmods' Per sé if that solves anything. Whether that involves giving CMs more privileges or moving forum privileges downward, it could be done but as you say, It depends on legal/policy framework. It's nice to be acknowledged by Jagex for your work as it certainly shows from the players end.

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04-May-2021 00:20:13

Tranq
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BreakingBad said :
I think it's fantastic you guys contribute around the forum and join in, once upon a time even the Fmods were just seen as 'enforcers' and didn't post much which was quite sad as they were picked because of their ability to join in.


Lol at the enforcers comment... As to the posting comment. I never authored many threads. However I made my stock and trade in the long forgotten quests forum. I practically lived there before becoming a mod and well after it til it was eventually removed. It wasn't til after going green that I started branching out into other subforums, and quite honestly I think there are still subforums I've never stepped a toe into...
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04-May-2021 18:37:05

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Tranq said :
BreakingBad said :
I think it's fantastic you guys contribute around the forum and join in, once upon a time even the Fmods were just seen as 'enforcers' and didn't post much which was quite sad as they were picked because of their ability to join in.


Lol at the enforcers comment... As to the posting comment. I never authored many threads. However I made my stock and trade in the long forgotten quests forum. I practically lived there before becoming a mod and well after it til it was eventually removed. It wasn't til after going green that I started branching out into other subforums, and quite honestly I think there are still subforums I've never stepped a toe into...


I watch many a player become moderators and their posts stopped being friendly, helpful advice that got them the crown to only enforcing rules and responding to reports, which is sad to see as many of them were fantastic contributors. Long gone is the quest forum, and youtube now full of literal step by step guides! So it is nice to see Fmods joining in threads
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04-May-2021 19:14:12

Loki
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Iceberg said :
I'd favour seeing FMR requests moved to the Community E-Mail inbox instead, which would then allow our
purple-y
L-Mods to action FMR requests.

The community E-Mail inbox is used for moderation reviews for the RuneScape Discord (namingly ban appeals though general moderation reviews can be send through as well). So it is a tried method.

Though I can see the appeal of wanting to have visibility on actioned FMR posts, that only works if requests are being actioned in a timely manner. The pros of moving to E-Mail heavily outweigh the cons.

Practicality > visibility.
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05-May-2021 08:52:13

Loki
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Tranq said :
and quite honestly I think there are still subforums I've never stepped a toe into...
Same here - you find a subforum with a community of people who regularly post there, and stay there. I know there's quite a few forums that I've not even posted in - most forumers are probably the same. :P
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05-May-2021 08:56:40 - Last edited on 05-May-2021 08:56:53 by Loki

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BreakingBad said :
I watch many a player become moderators and their posts stopped being friendly, helpful advice that got them the crown to only enforcing rules and responding to reports, which is sad to see as many of them were fantastic contributors. Long gone is the quest forum, and youtube now full of literal step by step guides! So it is nice to see Fmods joining in threads
I mean, it's not just moderators that happens with, and certainly not everyone at that! It happens pretty much anywhere online or even in real life. If someone wants a position, then they'll try as hard as they can to achieve it, going above and beyond until they do, and when they do get it, then they don't need to "work" as hard to maintain it.

It's sad that it happens, but it's human nature, and there will always be people who do it, not everyone will, but some always will.
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05-May-2021 08:59:44

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Loki said :


The Community Led Billing/Tech centers are certainly a good example of that. For obvious reasons, it's nice to see answers for questions there from people whom genuinely know what they're talking about (-seemingly) :P .

BreakingBad said :
I watch many a player become moderators and their posts stopped being friendly, helpful advice that got them the crown to only enforcing rules and responding to reports, which is sad to see as many of them were fantastic contributors


From personal experience as well, I'd imagine it's mostly due to more or less feeling burnt out on the role or trying to juggle real life and voluntary obligations; that debatably-yes, can have a balance to mix the two -- especially nowadays. This all added onto the pressure of feeling the standards for which you publicly display yourself are constantly judged by not only the developers, but the players as well. Should you then request to step down, even temporarily? Yes, probly'.

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06-May-2021 04:58:13

BreakingBad
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Nead said :
Loki said :


The Community Led Billing/Tech centers are certainly a good example of that. For obvious reasons, it's nice to see answers for questions there from people whom genuinely know what they're talking about (-seemingly) :P .

BreakingBad said :
I watch many a player become moderators and their posts stopped being friendly, helpful advice that got them the crown to only enforcing rules and responding to reports, which is sad to see as many of them were fantastic contributors


From personal experience as well, I'd imagine it's mostly due to more or less feeling burnt out on the role or trying to juggle real life and voluntary obligations; that debatably-yes, can have a balance to mix the two -- especially nowadays. This all added onto the pressure of feeling the standards for which you publicly display yourself are constantly judged by not only the developers, but the players as well. Should you then request to step down, even temporarily? Yes, probly'.


But saying that, how many inactive forum mods are there? I think it's common knowledge some Jmods have their own accounts modded, for obvious reasons they're best placed to interpret and act on the rules. But a lot of forums mods are inactive and should probably step down.
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06-May-2021 12:21:46

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