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Wilf
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The main point was to show the forums don't descend into chaos and hope they'd maybe change the way they are dealt with and expand it to other things that are locked/hidden on the basis it might upset somebody. Take my post that had the name of a former BBC tv presenter who fixed things for people, yes it might upset somebody. Then again the thread it was posted in was about Jeremy Clarkson who at least 21k people complained about when he made a joke about shooting strikers in front of their families not to mention he was driven out of Argentina by an angry mob who were trying to stone him, clearly he causes upset to people too so why not lock that thread?? I'm sure you can guess what the response was when I pointed this out..



Anyway the thread was created because I was ignored on the review thread. I responded to Matthe but Neena didn't comment on my post, and it gave me an excuse to get a bit of a dig in.


Going off memory the OP of the 'breast cancer threads from years back did exchange emails with MMG and MMG did post on his thread (don't think he did every year but at least once) now I'm not sure if the OP was behind getting jagex to donate to the charity and have an event of some sort or not but he might have. So having a CEO approve your thread sort of makes it ok to be posted and then they just went with it was approved by jagex for the following years.

03-Nov-2015 18:50:33 - Last edited on 03-Nov-2015 18:51:18 by Wilf

Mexk
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Hey Wilf,

I'm sorry for not responding here earlier than this. I am very well aware it's a weak argument, but ultimately I'm not the one who decides which threads stay and which don't. I can only act based on the guidelines Jagex has created, and in times where they appear vague or ultra thread-specific, I can only make educated guesses - as I did in my response to you. I did however try my very best to address all areas which I believe forms the reasoning to the specific ruling. All things considering, it would appear that my explanation indeed is the reason, but of course you are free to disagree with that; hence my encouragement to post on Forum Moderator Review.

I understand that you don't particularly appreciate the thread, and if you believe you'd be able to express your thoughts and points better by e-mail, you can try and mail [email protected] om. As for forcing your point through by posting actively about the topic; please don't. Whilst the specific threads and posts may be innocent, allowing them to accumulate and repeatedly question Moderator actions will ultimately create another situation which calls for action.

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04-Nov-2015 21:09:22 - Last edited on 04-Nov-2015 21:13:59 by Mexk

Wilf
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Well I ended up deciding to put it back as I don't want to misjudge.

I expressed my thoughts well enough as I always do. Now read your original response and then the one matthe gave me and you'll see why I may not appreciate it.

As for forcing a point I don't know about you, but I'd consider locking the thread and threatening me is more forcing a point than me discussing it, but you're free to disagree with that.

Moving on to repeatedly questioning actions: as far as I'm aware, I've questioned no actions of any mod (unless you are counting asking for a further explanation of a response as questioning an action).


Or is this one of those cases where because you're a mod I'm not allowed to respond to anything you say, and any response whether questioning or not is regarded as such regardless?

04-Nov-2015 22:16:39 - Last edited on 04-Nov-2015 22:45:11 by Wilf

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I think Mexk is trying to be helpful, inasmuch as defending such a ludicrous double-standard can be. After all, he could simply have locked the thread and avoided getting involved.

It is worth noting that the argument presented is not merely weak, it is actively poisonous.
In arguing that the reason that only threads about that particular cancer are allowed is because it is already so well publicised, you crowd out the many other cancers that could use the publicity. There is only so much oxygen and such reasoning (and the enforcement thereof) forces such publicity as there is into an area that is already saturated.

Maybe you should change your sig Mexk. There is no way your position on this could conceivably be seen as 'standing up for what is right'.
I suppose that 'Standing up for arbitrary, hypocritical dogma' doesn't scan nearly as well.
Oh well.

Given the size of the FMod team, it is statistically very likely that one or more of them will end up with cancer of one sort or another.
Let us hope it is a type of cancer that Jagex deems fashionable enough to be discussed.

I'm not saying this to be mean - rather to point out that this isn't an abstract problem. Cancer is far from uncommon. There will be people on these forums with other cancers. I doubt this attitude will be of much comfort to them.

05-Nov-2015 11:16:37 - Last edited on 05-Nov-2015 11:20:50 by Stoat King

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While I agree with the ebola virus threads being locked, I don't agree with the reasoning behind it. The media tends to sensationalize situations like these, blowing them way out of proportion, which leads to quite a bit of spamming (in the same way the whole Kony spam was incited).


To sum it up as "Cancer is more popular, so we allow it" is simply silly, which was "The main difference between the two".

"A large portion of players has little-to-no knowledge about Ebola" -- so let's make sure they never find out! :P

IMO, what would have been the logical thing to do when the ebola spamming started, would have been to create a sticky thread with actual facts and real statistics about the disease.



Is there a list of diseases that we can and cannot discuss on the forums?

If we can talk about 'breast cancer, then surely we can talk about prostate cancer, right? What's good for the goose is good for the gander. Heck, prostate isn't even censored, so there won't need to be any censor bypassing, like on those 'breast cancer threads.
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05-Nov-2015 11:57:29

Wilf
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I've no doubt he's being helpful, but I disagree with the way he appears to be portraying my posts.

I'm glad others think it is silly and maybe if more than one person comments something will be changed if jagex are made aware.

I cannot be held responsible for people joining into a discussion either :P

05-Nov-2015 12:24:48

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Totally agree with you there Nexus0rigin.
Tbh thats more or less the point I was trying to make, you just put it more eloquently and reasonably.

There clearly is a list of diseases that cant be discussed.
But we're probably not allowed to discuss that.

05-Nov-2015 13:41:39

Mexk
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Oops, double.
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06-Nov-2015 00:51:01 - Last edited on 06-Nov-2015 00:51:37 by Mexk

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Hey there guys,

I very much appreciate you discussing this in an honest and mature manner. I understand that this is a relatively tricky situation, and one where I also appear to be finding myself in deep water. It is however of utmost importance to stress that my initial intention with my replies was to provide an answer, Wilf, rather than simply locking and referring you to an alternative you already had exhausted. I did so exclusively based on the previous moderations done by Jagex Moderators on the threads relating to your concerns. I was in other words attempting to provide an answer based on previous moderations without proper guidelines.

My concerns about your postings and thus reasoning for my words on the above reply was solely based on how I read your posts, combined with your previous postings. I do apologize if I misunderstood your intentions, but I need to stress that my point still stands.

Stout, whilst I do see your point, it remains important to stress that the inital question solely concerned one specific cancer type and Ebola and nothing more. In regards to my signature, we'll have to disagree on that one as standing up for what I think is right is something I truly strive for. It is however extremely hard to change somehing which has already been handled by others. In such situations you can only act based on what has already been said, done and/or written and attempt to move forward.

Generally speaking though - I do reckon that the RuneScape forums isn't the right place to discuss, nor seek help with, diseases. There are several better suited forums which could provide actual answers and guide people through proper channels.


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06-Nov-2015 00:51:02

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@Mexk
I get that you are not responsible for this policy in any way and that your attempts to explain are meant in the spirit of helpfulness or at least something positive.
And to be fair, the appalling weakness of your argument isnt your fault either. You** done well to find an argument that makes even semi-sense. Its not a position that is easy to defend, to put it mildly.

I agree that rs isnt the place to discuss any of these things.
But when one disease and one only is allowed, these unpleasant accusations of prejudice are inevitable and impossible to defend against.
It is a double standard. It is wrong. It is stupid.

Imagine a near variant of the present situation - that the policy ONLY allowed the discussion of prostate cancer and that any thread about bre-ast cancer (and any other disease) were to be insta-locked. Would that go down well? Lol

06-Nov-2015 08:38:17

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