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2_Tron

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Mrs Ana, if you have issues with the existence of this thread please do seek help in Forum Help otherwise please refrain from posting any other nonsense. Thank you.
If you disagree with me, ... fine lets agree to disagree. Bye!!

12-Aug-2020 15:53:19

Mrs Ana

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2_Tron, I do not have an issue with this thread. I actually enjoy the conversation that it's being conducted here. I do disagree with what you are suggesting and I am doing so in the correct way. At first, you said veterans are misplacing threads in General. I went ahead to find threads that have been misplaced and moved and I did not find any threads created by veterans. Now, you have changed your stance to existing threads in General that, according to you, are both created by veterans and have not been moved. I, just like anyone else, would love to see which threads you are referring to.

In order for issues to be fixed, there needs to be an issue in the first place. First of all, I showed you and proved to you that all current misplaced/moved threads out of General have NOT been created by veteran forumers. Now, just in the previous page, you say that you are referring to existing threads created by veterans that are in General and do not belong there. If that's the case that you are referring to, then it can easily be fixed by posting in Forum Help to have an F-Mod/L-Mod assess the thread and determine if it is located in the incorrect sub-forum or not.

Furthermore, if you want people to opine on your suggestion(s), it would be nice to direct them to the issue first. Just saying that veterans misplace threads in General without proof does not make it true. In fact, I disproved your statement by going through the first ten pages of General and mentioning all the threads that have been misplaced and move by Moderators. These were not created by veterans. That's why I say that this issue is nonexistent until you are able to show that there is actually an issue to look at.

If possible, I think it would help your cause to direct users to such threads mentioned on the previous page. If veterans have current threads in General that do not belong there, then they must be moved; however, the issue has to exist first.

Best of luck ^_^ .

12-Aug-2020 16:11:25 - Last edited on 12-Aug-2020 16:14:13 by Mrs Ana

2_Tron

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Mrs Ana said :
... If veterans have current threads in General that do not belong there, then they must be moved ...
FINALLY, finally we have an agreement at last
.

Another thing, I still vividly remember the sheer "hate" some people have/had against players posting/acting as if they were moderators and the WBM-War in the past. Yes The RSOF was far more crowded/alive but also due to this war between helpful players and wanna-be-mod-haters. It was a total mess and unnecessary battle thus I am not going to "assist" moderators for that matter.


We should enjoy The RSOF, posting & giving feedback, and not wanna do the work of moderators. ;)

12-Aug-2020 16:46:59

Mrs Ana

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2_Tron said :
FINALLY, finally we have an agreement at last[/gold][/i][/b]. Remember, this is a conditional IF statement, which implies conditions and these have not been met due to the lack of evidence of your claims. I am not agreeing with you on anything because you have yet to show us what the issue(s) is/are. You have not quoted/shown us here examples of the issues that you are referring to. You may merely said, without proof/evidence/examples, "...veterans are posting threads that do not belong in General or already have threads that do not belong there."

It is not possible to tackle an issue that's nonexistent. In order for a problem to be fixed, the problem must exist first and you have not shown that problem, 2_Tron. Just stating something without facts/proof does not make it true. I have asked you many times to show us examples of threads that you think veterans have created and do not belong in General. We have not seen those examples. I went ahead to provide you with statistics of threads that have been misplaced and moved...and I was told that it was a joke.

So, please, allow us the ability to further see the "issue" that you are presenting here by providing us with something tangible.

12-Aug-2020 16:54:46

Stoat King

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So let me get this straight:
You have an issue no-one else thinks even exists.
You refuse point-blank to provide any proof even when asked explicitly.
And furthermore, you wont use the tools available to do anything about it.

Have I missed something? I'm a little confused...

12-Aug-2020 16:56:24

Mrs Ana

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2_Tron said :
Another thing, I still vividly remember the sheer "hate" some people have/had against players posting/acting as if they were moderators and the WBM-War in the past. Yes The RSOF was far more crowded/alive but also due to this war between helpful players and wanna-be-mod-haters. It was a total mess and unnecessary battle thus I am not going to "assist" moderators for that matter.
What are you aiming at here? If you are referring to what I mentioned earlier about educating players, what I said was that first, I try to answer the OP's question/concerns and then I go to Forum Help to ask an F-Mod to move the thread to the correct sub-forum so that it receives a better reception. WBModding is when you take it upon yourself to try to action a thread or act as a Moderator. Nobody has ever mentioned that here on your thread.

Posting on Forum Help does not make you a WBM so I'm, again, unsure on what you are referring to here. If someone misplaces a thread in General and they have a question about, let's say, account help and you know the answer to that question, wouldn't you try to help the player? I do and I have been doing so. Now, what may come across as WBModding is if you tell OP that the thread is in the wrong sub-forum and that they must post here or there. That I never do. I simply answer the question(s) and then, if necessary, alert an F-Mod so that the F-Mod can move the thread and educate the player on where to post next. It's their voluntary duty to tell others about the rules, not mine.

In conclusion, trying to answer a question on a misplaced thread and then asking an F-Mod in Forum Help to move it does not make you a WBM. The instances that you are referring to were back when we had hundreds upon hundreds of active forum users and we had way more J-Mod/F-Mod representation here. So, it was normal to have more WBMs and whatnot. That is not the case anymore.

12-Aug-2020 17:02:34 - Last edited on 12-Aug-2020 17:05:52 by Mrs Ana

Dong U Dead

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There is nothing wrong in helping a fellow forumer or pointing them to the right forum - it's how you word it that counts - if it's belittling, hateful, sarcastic that is not helpful nor should it be tolerated.
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12-Aug-2020 17:55:20

Loki
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Glad to see this thread was reopened. Been watching it closely since I last posted, and have enjoyed it.


Quite curious about this:
Mrs Ana said :
If someone misplaces a thread in General and they have a question about, let's say, account help and you know the answer to that question, wouldn't you try to help the player? I do and I have been doing so. Now, what may come across as WBModding is if you tell OP that the thread is in the wrong sub-forum and that they must post here or there. Using this example, what happens if someone doesn't know the answer to the account help question, but suggests they post in the account help forum section, as they are more likely to get assistance there? Does that count as being a "WBM"? I personally don't think so, because you're providing your two cents and trying to steer them in the right direction.

As Dong said above, it's how you word something that matters. If you outright say "This is the incorrect forum, you need to post here. Don't continue posting on this thread." or something similar - then I still wouldn't call that a "WBM", I'd just call that a rude individual.
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12-Aug-2020 18:11:47

Mrs Ana

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Loki said :
Using this example, what happens if someone doesn't know the answer to the account help question, but suggests they post in the account help forum section, as they are more likely to get assistance there? Does that count as being a "WBM"? I personally don't think so, because you're providing your two cents and trying to steer them in the right direction. Hey, Loki.

We may both agree that the wording is that counts when it comes to these situations. I have always been under the impression that if I may not know the answer to the question, I'm always free to ask an F-Mod in Forum Help to move the thread to the correct location. I do agree with you that simply directing the player to the correct location does not count as WBM but personally, I stay away from doing so UNLESS I have already answered the question and I simply wish to point them in the right direction after that.

Sadly, throughout the years, if you simply post something like that, others may find that "WBModding" even though it isn't. For that reason, I stay away from such situations and I simply nudge an F-Mod to come to the rescue. Now, if I may answer the question, I do and I still ask an F-Mod to move the thread to the correct location for better reception. However, if I do not know the answer, I do not post on the thread at all and if it needs to be moved, then I head to Forum Help.

Let me see if mentioning this example works to get my point across. I have seen F-Mods warning players not to post on a rule-breaking then and then go to Forum Help to report such thread. In that instance, you are bumping a rule-breaking thread to the first page and posting on it. Instead of adding to the issue, you may just try to solve the issue by doing the correct thing, which is alert the Moderators.

I'm not saying posting a misplaced thread is a grave rule-breaking incident, but I hope you get what I was trying to convey.

12-Aug-2020 18:41:09

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