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2_Tron

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Tranq said :
2_Tron said :
In all the years that I have been on The RSOF, this statement wasn’t made officially in public. A fact, in the past many threads have been made discussing bumping threads and what was or wasn’t allowed but never ever, in those discussions, there was a mentioning in public of a “universal bump-button” of any kind.


First off did it ever occur to you the reason "we" never discussed it was the fact that it's part and parcel to the position. Don't mention publicly what is and isn't in the toolkit.

Honestly It's the same bump button that thread creators have. the difference is that it can be used on any thread not just the ones we authored.
You are correct, nevertheless, what I learned from Mod Emilee & Mod SteveW that sometimes things shouldn't be mentioned at all and only be used with the utmost discretion to not cause mayhem in The RSOF & The RuneScape Community.
Thus I do wonder, why was it mentioned just recently and why so much more than back in the day? The purpose of the "universal bump-button" right now is more or less being used for sweeping under the carpet rather than it is used what it really was made for.
Where are those spamming-sprees?

17-Aug-2020 14:28:53

Mrs Ana

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2_Tron said :
Maybe you do have knowledge about that universal bump-button but I am sure you did gain this information through unofficial channels.
If you have been here long enough, you'd have noticed how active the General sub-forum once was and how many times a J-Mod would divulge to the public that F-Mods had the ability to mass-bump threads in the event of a rule-breaking spree. "Unofficial" channels? If a J-Mod or a regular player for that matter would share this information with others, am I to blame here? Just like the F-Mod told you that it was her that bumped your thread, many others have confirmed that they do indeed possess this ability.

As mentioned, if you were present in the Mod Poppy era, you'd have known about this universal bump feature by now and this thread wouldn't have been created. But hey, here we are ^_^ .

17-Aug-2020 14:41:50

Mrs Ana

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2_Tron said :
The reason about the “rule-breaking spree” could be true but most of the time The RuneScape Community defended themselves against these moments by bumping other threads of others with posts posting just ‘bump’ or ‘up’ or ‘support’ or with a small contribution to the thread involved and soon a given forum was back up on its feet in no time.
2_Tron, what if the thread owners are NOT online at the time of occurrence? In order to bump each individual thread, thread owners or other players must be willing to actually post the word "bump" or any other comment in order to bring the thread back up to the first page. As I'm sure that you are fully aware, posting "bump" may be considered spamming due to the fact that the thread's OP has the ability to use the bump button. If all of these threads are brought back by posting the word "bump", that may be an issue.

How is that fixed? Forum Moderators having the ability to mass-bump threads after a rule-breaking spree has ended. There will not be a word "bump" and most threads will be back to normal. Please note that NOT every single thread will be bumped by the Forum Moderator(s) in question. Only the threads that were "affected" or threads that they may deem necessary.

17-Aug-2020 14:46:59

Mrs Ana

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2_Tron said :
In all the years that I have been on The RSOF, this statement wasn’t made officially in public. A fact, in the past many threads have been made discussing bumping threads and what was or wasn’t allowed but never ever, in those discussions, there was a mentioning in public of a “universal bump-button” of any kind.
Well, yea, it is or shall I say was one of those features that was meant to be kept confidential as any tool that an F-Mod possesses is considered "secret"; however, as I have mentioned before, there were instances were Jagex Moderators, namely Mod Poppy, would play around and divulge some of these features either purposely or not. For example, there was a time that Mod Poppy posted a screenshot of her post and she, inadvertently, shared some of the tools at her disposal here on the Forums. If you have been here long enough, you'd have known this and this does not make it unfair or the like.

As Tranq has shared, it's the same button that we have. Only differences are that they may use it on any thread and that it does not have a limit in order to allow them to mass-bump threads after a rule-breaking spree has passed.

17-Aug-2020 14:53:16

Mrs Ana

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2_Tron said :
Thus I do wonder, why was it mentioned just recently and why so much more than back in the day? The purpose of the "universal bump-button" right now is more or less being used for sweeping under the carpet rather than it is used what it really was made for.
Where are those spamming-sprees?
I believe it was mentioned because you noticed that someone bumped your thread:
2_Tron said :
LOL ... someone used my bump-button but rest assured I'll be replying soon, sooner if my english was as good as my dutch. :P
The Forum Moderator that bumped your thread decided to give you an explanation as to why this was used and why she publicly decided to state her reasons; however, this was not enough for you as you didn't agree with it and even created a separate thread about it. It isn't that serious. She believed that your thread was worthy of a bump due to the amount of locked/moved threads that were present on the first page of this sub-forum. If anything, I'd be grateful that an F-Mod thought a thread of mine was worthy and decided to bring it up to the first page.

Furthermore, it isn't only a rule-breaking spree that needs to occur in order for them to use this tool. For example, if there are a lot of moved threads on the first page, they may bump threads so that those moved threads are then located on the second page of the sub-forum and worthy threads are back on page 1 for further discussions. I believe this is what happened to this thread when the Forum Moderator used her bump button to bring it back after having seen numerous moved threads that were in the way of discussion-worthy threads.

17-Aug-2020 14:57:37 - Last edited on 17-Aug-2020 14:59:48 by Mrs Ana

Maynne

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For the record, the thread author is the sole forumer who created (let me borrow the term) a storm in a teacup.

2_Tron said :

2_Tron said :
LOL ... someone used my bump-button but rest assured I'll be replying soon, sooner if my english was as good as my dutch. :P


Maynne said :
There are times extra-ordinary bumping is needed to be done to deliberately push lock threads down towards page 2 faster. Though this time, there is not enough relevant active threads from page 2 to supply the first page of W&F. There is nothing special here, just a regular housekeeping stuff.


I can not prove who hit the bump-button of this thread and I do not know why, because being on page 2 this thread didn’t gain any harm me being occupied with monitoring General and the things discussed here by several players/moderators.

Now players got the idea that the OP did bump this thread but I have to strongly say … I did not have bumped this thread,


There is no controversy over it, there is no damage inflicted against anyone with the use of the universal bump button for housekeeping. All that was done is to push valid threads back to page 1 of the forum. You raised the concern, hence I answered on your original thread my side - it was out of courtesy in fact. Tens of valid threads were bumped, and you were the only one who made an issue out of it.

Right now, as of this message's posting, there are a handful of lock threads in page 1 of W&F. I'll repeat the housekeeping process, there is no damage done. In fact if your thread is bumped as part of this process, it is a part of the solution - be glad.

This will be my first and last post in this thread, I will not entertain further discussion - as there is no issue over it to begin with. If you wish to propose that Fmods be banned from doing housekeeping tasks here in RSOF then say it directly.

17-Aug-2020 14:59:04 - Last edited on 17-Aug-2020 15:07:35 by Maynne

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Huge mountain out of a mole hill.

Sadly this thread hasn't gone down too well with several people due to bumps not done by OP's. This has been done for years and years. It's NOT New. So don't be shocked or surprised threads get bumped now and then in stealth.

It's not like the F-Mod team go out of our way to just bump something because We like it that never happens. We bump to make the forums IE page 1 of a section less spammy and cluttered with locked/hidden threads.

Any thread bumped is randomly picked from page 2-3 even page 4-5.

So no idea why people are getting upset over nothing.

The bumping will carry on as and when required. It's housekeeping. ;)
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17-Aug-2020 15:32:33

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OMG why is anyone even bothering to keep explaining to the OP?

Loads of people know about the universal bump button, it's not a big deal. It's been explained to him about 7 different ways what it is and why it's used.

He's trying to blow it up into some secret, scandalous Button Of Mass Manipulation Against Poor But Honest Forumers conspiraceh theory.


He's had his answer - just lock this thread already.
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17-Aug-2020 16:03:39

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The FMod toolkit was public knowledge in the Knowledge Base years ago when it existed on the RS website. It was explained which tools they had, including the universal bump button. And this information was released by Jagex themselves in the knowledge base.

It's not considered "confidential information".

Pretty much the only thing confidential about FMods at this point is the moderating policies (and whatever is contained in the FMod forums).
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17-Aug-2020 16:29:01

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