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CM Nick

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FiFi LaFeles said :


I had no idea that Mods would be performing favours for a friend by keeping said friend's threads bumped into prominence. That I do have a problem with.

I have sincerely never seen this kind of thing be done in the 2+ years I've been here, so I think that the situation Loki is describing - with PAST FMods, mind you - is long past being a relevant issue.

But I do very much agree that kind of favoritism is not what the Bump feature is for. Community Manager for Jagex

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14-Aug-2020 00:02:57 - Last edited on 14-Aug-2020 00:03:21 by CM Nick

Dong U Dead

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I believe they do it too all threads as I am not personal friends with any mods and my thread was supposedly bumped last night??

My thread was supposedly bumped last night I am not sure what mod did it. It actually gave me a fright as I thought someone had logged into my account.

So if my thread got bumped and I am not friends with the bumper means it's not a personal thing.

Edit - please don't take this personal the person who bumped the thread - I am just stating I don't' know who you are :)
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14-Aug-2020 00:21:37 - Last edited on 14-Aug-2020 01:00:06 by Dong U Dead

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CM Nick said :
FiFi LaFeles said :


I had no idea that Mods would be performing favours for a friend by keeping said friend's threads bumped into prominence. That I do have a problem with.

I have sincerely never seen this kind of thing be done in the 2+ years I've been here, so I think that the situation Loki is describing - with PAST FMods, mind you - is long past being a relevant issue.

But I do very much agree that kind of favoritism is not what the Bump feature is for. Yeah, I'm talking about 9-10 years ago now when there were 1000s of people using the forums, and when you posted a thread, 30 minutes later it would be on page 2 or 3 already. :P

Never seen or had anything recently like that (as I no longer have any FMod friends), and I do agree, the favouritism is wrong, and shouldn't be tolerated. I also don't think using the bump feature for "friends" is really needed now, due to how inactive the forums are. I only support the bump feature being used by the thread creator, or by FMods for the purposes of cleaning the from page or 2 of a subforum.
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14-Aug-2020 08:33:25

Dong U Dead

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^Did you read my post, it happens to me two days ago - not sure who did it. So in my case, it was not favouritism. Sadly it never happen to me years ago. I only found out about it when it happened a couple of days ago.

years ago when you say it happened lots they would have had to use the word bump and I never once saw it by moderators towards anyone and I lived in the forums unless you are talking before my time. I was here around 10 years ago.
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14-Aug-2020 11:51:41

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Dong U Dead,

We know which one of us sent it back to the top of the page. They had intended to post on the thread and went and looked something up and by the time they got back had forgotten to post.

I do that myself sometimes while working. I'll read a thread get ready to post a comment get side tracked with work and by the time I return to the thread it's a great deal of time later. Usually forcing me to log back into the forums. At that point I've forgotten what I was going to type in the first place. I'm left with two options at that point. Reread the thread and think of a relevant comment or have a stroke of mental clarity and go oh yeah that's what I intended to post or go would my comment added much to redo this all. Typically the latter wins out.

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Now onto the us using the bump feature outside of modly duties. Only time I use that is for serial spamming or if there's a thread that I find an interesting read and had nothing to add except for the word bump. It wasn't reserved for friends threads, it's our way of reducing post clutter. If we post a bumping message that's 1 less post available of the 2k post limit, inflicted on the forums. However as Loki has pointed out the forum traffic is rather stagnant at the moment. Such that apart from dealing with serial spammers there isn't really the opportunity to use the button as threads have plenty of time on page 1.
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14-Aug-2020 12:04:26

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Thank you all for responding and discussing this matter.

... bumping action, it is part of the housekeeping process especially in a slower subforum like W&F. Fmods have the universal bump button in our toolset for the longest time for such housekeeping purposes. We push valid threads (for your information good threads only, so I defined your thread as good) up to push down a series of locked threads, so we can have a page 1 that looks presentable …

Wilf said :
TBH i barely understood the OP

so I'll go with the others … Sorry that I made it so, as it was an FMods response to me in public … but like to forward it as he/she was speaking in general making it look alike all FMods do share the same thought about this tool. However, there are still FMods that are reluctant to speak up or mention it to other players.
In all the years that I have been on The RSOF, this statement wasn’t made officially in public. A fact, in the past many threads have been made discussing bumping threads and what was or wasn’t allowed but never ever, in those discussions, there was a mentioning in public of a “universal bump-button” of any kind.

17-Aug-2020 10:29:22

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Mrs Ana said :
Forum Moderators have always had the universal bump button available to them. The reason being, and I'm sure you know and have been told before, is that if there is a rule-breaking spree in a given sub-forum, Forum Moderators are able to bump normal threads back to the first page for a continued discussion. Furthermore, it also allows them to slowly move down the threads that were actioned -- let that be a locked, moved or hidden thread. If a rule-breaker creates 10 threads and these are locked, moved or hidden, those normal threads get pushed down and the disruptive threads now take all the space on the first page of a sub-forum … Maybe you do have knowledge about that universal bump-button but I am sure you did gain this information through unofficial channels.
The reason about the “rule-breaking spree” could be true but most of the time The RuneScape Community defended themselves against these moments by bumping other threads of others with posts posting just ‘bump’ or ‘up’ or ‘support’ or with a small contribution to the thread involved and soon a given forum was back up on its feet in no time.
Sometimes it took a fast JMod to catch the rauser in the neck by muting/banning them temporarily and deal with them after the rule-breaking spree did end.

There have been threads in the past, especially in General-forums, that exceeded the normal way of being able to be bumped by the OP themselves, even with the help of players although their posts weren’t visible, that with explaining the “universal bump-button” it makes perfect sense how they achieved these bumping abilities.

So it instantly makes you think, “when does it really be housekeeping and where starts it to be an unfair advantage”?

17-Aug-2020 10:30:39 - Last edited on 17-Aug-2020 10:35:01 by 2_Tron

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Simply put, using the “universal bump-button” some groups of people are able to control an entire forum at their disposal. You are unable to set foot in a forum properly, making threads that do fit the strap-line and forum specific rules, or your thread will be rushed down to many pages below never getting the attention of players reading pages 1 or 2 of said forum.
Favorite threads are bumped, where thread-owners lose the interest in good thread management and other threads left to waste. A forum is & will be dying soon if not sooner.
If players of any forum always see the same threads go up and populating pages 1 & 2 of said forum The RuneScape Community will lose interest in a forum and leave, because there hardly are new threads to discover.

Is it really necessary or a good tool to have? Up to this day … this tool does make more damage than it does do any good at all, at least how it is used as explained.
If a moderator wants to define a thread as good it would be better off if a moderator actually did post in a thread explaining goods & bads and participate in a discussion rather than pushing on a button where players fail to understand what happened.
This is how moderators got lazy not communicating with The RuneScape Community anymore. You do not need to create walls of texts explaining your moves, small notations/memes are as sufficient opening contact with The RuneScape Community making a contribution far more worth than a “universal bump-button”.

17-Aug-2020 10:31:42 - Last edited on 17-Aug-2020 10:37:45 by 2_Tron

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2_Tron said :
In all the years that I have been on The RSOF, this statement wasn’t made officially in public. A fact, in the past many threads have been made discussing bumping threads and what was or wasn’t allowed but never ever, in those discussions, there was a mentioning in public of a “universal bump-button” of any kind.

First off did it ever occur to you the reason "we" never discussed it was the fact that it's part and parcel to the position. Don't mention publicly what is and isn't in the toolkit.

Honestly It's the same bump button that thread creators have. the difference is that it can be used on any thread not just the ones we authored.
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17-Aug-2020 14:02:55

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