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Abby Taylor
Nov Member 2019

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Why is there not a block feature on the forums?

What if somebody is really really really annoying, but they aren't breaking any major rules? Why should we have to put up with them.

Most trolls on the forum skate by with a couple hidden posts or a warning from a mod, but never get banned.

Can we have a block feature please?

Note: I wanted to add a major point that I forgot earlier.
Jagex obviously sees the value in a block / ignore list, because Runescape (the game) has had an ignore list for over a decade, since classic.

and clans and friend chats have had kick and ban options for years as well. Any argument made against a forum block list, applies to the in game block list as well. and I think the people making arguments against a forum block list are just afraid that their bad behavior will exclude them from the broader civilized community.

It's a feature that every major social media site has employed to protect it's users, and give them control over their experience.
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04-Jul-2021 10:04:14 - Last edited on 05-Jul-2021 07:47:03 by Abby Taylor

Draco Burnz
Dec Member 2011

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333333333 said :
It won't work because people can hop accounts or offline reading threads!


+1

Thus solving nothing.

Plus threads arent supposed to be echo-chambers of yes men anyways.

If you dont like someone just dont read their posts.

Its not that hard.

Abby Taylor said :

What if somebody is really really really annoying, but they aren't breaking any major rules? Why should we have to put up with them.



The same reason you have to deal with those types IRL.

Sorry, but the forums arent only for you and the ppl you like.
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04-Jul-2021 11:35:38 - Last edited on 04-Jul-2021 11:37:58 by Draco Burnz

Jeremy Cheng
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"If you dont like someone just dont read their posts.

Its not that hard."


When the same people harass me constantly in every post I reply to in other ppl's thread and my own for years on end every time I post something they think could cause controversy and always ignore my detailed posts that aren't about drama with nothing done, then a block function is needed. I'm going to start fighting back now. I have the right. I'm IN the right.

04-Jul-2021 22:58:45 - Last edited on 04-Jul-2021 23:00:03 by Jeremy Cheng

Corder
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I don't see much good in a block function. If someone is trolling or derailing a thread I would just FH it as we'll get rid of them for good. If I need to block someone, it only helps me and not the other members viewing the same thread being disturbed by the same person.

If someone makes a hobby of disagreeing with others or locating issues with people's suggestions etc, that's fine with me as it's still constructive and on-topic. While they might seem like they are negative people, they are really just like you and me - they have a different view on things and as Draco Burnz said, there is no good in a house full of yes men!
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04-Jul-2021 23:13:06

Abby Taylor
Nov Member 2019

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Draco Burnz said :
333333333 said :
It won't work because people can hop accounts or offline reading threads!


+1

Thus solving nothing.

Plus threads arent supposed to be echo-chambers of yes men anyways.

If you dont like someone just dont read their posts.

Its not that hard.

Abby Taylor said :

What if somebody is really really really annoying, but they aren't breaking any major rules? Why should we have to put up with them.



The same reason you have to deal with those types IRL.

Sorry, but the forums arent only for you and the ppl you like.


Speak of the devil and he shall appear.

I think maybe you don't like this suggestion because you would be a prime candidate for it's use for a lot of people jk ;)

in real life, when people harass you and bother you, you can actually go to your house where they aren't allowed inside.
You can also call the police if they follow you around and annoy you to much.
So in a way you're totally wrong, there are "block" options in the real world.

Nobody should have to put up with harassment.

on most websites there is a block function, and block evading to harass people is a bannable offense typically.

and regarding echo chambers and yes-men. who cares?
it is hard to ignore obnoxious people that constantly respond to every post ever made to tell them they are wrong.
Like I said in my original post, there are people who follow the rules but are annoying and not constructive despite this, lawful evil types.

Nearly every other website on the internet has a block / ignore feature for a reason.
I won't list which ones exactly, but several social media sites have 100 million+ active users a day, while the runescape forums are lucky to hit a peak with 25.

The real, and most obvious reason we don't have a block feature, is Jagex laziness and unwillingness to invest in the forums.
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05-Jul-2021 03:54:21

Spearmint30
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I don't particularly agree with the statement that it creates echo chambers of yes-men due to the fact that an ignore list system would only prevent you from seeing posts by the ignored user. The ignored user should still be able to post on any thread they please, including threads you've created. The ignore system should just hide the post from you and only you , allowing other thread participants to continue the discussion as they desire.

So again, if such a system is considered, it really needs to only hide the blocked users' content (threads and posts) from you , which gives every user more control over what they do (and do not) want to see.

Don't think about it as - oh my gosh, if everyone blocks me I won't be able to post on anything! If everyone blocks you, you'll be able to post all you want - just nobody would have to look at it. It would work in the same way that the ignore list in-game doesn't stop you from talking, it just stops the people who are ignoring you from seeing what you say.

The arguments against an ignore list system for the forums could also be made for the game in the sense that it is, after all, a multiplayer game. As for the solutions offered in this thread to "just don't read their posts" - that's exactly what OP is trying to do - and I see nothing wrong with that.

For ease of implementation (the website can access our friends lists in modules like RuneMetrics so, theoretically, the website could be able to access our ignore lists too), just combine them. That limits the number of users someone can ignore and also ensures that someone you're ignoring in-game is also ignored on the forums, and vice versa.
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05-Jul-2021 06:51:35

Abby Taylor
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@Spearmint30

I don't think it would be a terrible Idea not to let people post in the threads of users who have blocked them.

In fact I don't even think the idea of an echo chamber is even a negative in the first place, every one just automatically considers it to be a bad thing, but I see no problem with having a space of like minded civil people sharing their opinions in peace.

If you're worried about people feeling left out, then they should be. If your behavior annoys others, then you should face consequences for your behavior , even if it doesn't necessarily break the rules.

(Laws and Social expectations work in a similar manner, A person can
face social consequences
even if they aren't
breaking a law
)

If you break the law you should get banned.

If you annoy a person, you shouldn't get to platform yourself in their thread.



or better yet, make it so that the ignored user can't even see those threads at all, they can only see threads made by people who haven't ignored them.

If they want to engage in a certain topic, then they can go make a thread of their own, instead of harassing people that don't like them.
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05-Jul-2021 07:44:18 - Last edited on 05-Jul-2021 07:45:40 by Abby Taylor

Spearmint30
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Personally, I do not support blocking to that extent. If the system hides the blocked users' message from you, then it has done its job. Giving users the power to silence other users because they disagree or have unpopular opinions to the extent that they are excluded from participating in a discussion is too prohibitive and not something I'd like to see brought to the forums.

If you want to ignore a users' threads/posts, then you should have the ability to not see them if you so chose. That way, if I'm reading your thread and a forumer you've ignored leaves some feedback, I can see it and engage in that discussion while you do not have to by your own election.

I'm sure the argument may come about regarding quoted posts and to that I'd just say - let the system hide messages that contain quotes from posts by users you've ignored as well. To help illustrate what I'm talking about here, say you're ignoring a user and can't see their post. If I post a reply which quotes that post, my specific reply containing the quote would be hidden from you because I've quoted your ignored user.

Granted, that caveat would certainly make the system a bit more complex and would be circumvented by quoting the "old school" way (not using the built-in quote system), but it would be trivial to try to nail that all down. Taking the in-game ignore list into context here, ignoring Player A doesn't stop Player B from being able to repeat the same text... soo.

Users found to be circumventing your ignores with alt accounts to continue harassment of you, for instance, would become subject to moderation action as "harassment" already qualifies for moderator intervention. Users that go around "trolling" by objecting to ideas for no reason other than to be... arbitrarily contrary... is just part of being on the internet. Even so, I do think you should be able to choose to not see their posts - if you wish to do so.

Your block shouldn't affect what I see, basically.
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