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Zayelion
Dec Member 2022

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Looking at this as a programmer the problem is bad code and fear.

The tick system, and maybe most the engine needs to go and the developers know that. But touching anything in there will massively destabilize the game. That engine combined with the microservices and scripts are worth hundreds of millions of dollars. No one is going to get fired for letting it sit and be. There is no incentive for risk. Making mobile and then adding a few dull click wait style skills is profitable.

Competing with WoW, Eve Online, FFXIV, The Elder Scrolls, etc is difficult. Its a generally low profit game model requiring micro transactions and subscriptions to maintain. Jagex has to either locate 10-15 geniuses to fix/rewrite the current engine, or hire 300-400 people to get started on the next major release (RS4)

Jagex has about 320 staff, of that maybe 30 are game programmers, I'd imagine another 60 are artist and developer support staff, then maybe another 30 devops, maybe 10 web developers. The rest are mtx game programmers and management. Its a skeleton crew. So you would have to double the size of the company to take on another project.

I'm not saying more people means more progress but Jagex has had a generation roll over, and have been left with an old engine. There is no "safe" solution to keep the game evolving its as simple as make a new game or experiment with the engine to get it up to industry standards, and the Chinese overlords wont allow that till Jagex is costing them money.

If anyone thinks I am wrong I would love to hear why.

24-Dec-2018 07:57:26

RickTheSloth
Mar Member 2018

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I think everyone is forgetting that RuneScape Remastered is in the works, or at least in very early stages of pre-production. That being said there has already been exclusive polls and comments from Mods about this. RuneScape 3 and OSRS will remain the flag ships for Jagex until we can move on to the next step which is RuneScape remastered. If this game is even a shadow of what current evidence shows it will far surpass RS3 and OSRS in a only a matter of a few years in regards to gameplay and profitability. Key aspects of this game that have been labeled as it's trademarks will be removal of the current tick system with the introduction of WASD movement, graphical overhaul as currently all the new dev positions that were listed in early 2017 on the Jagex website were requiring experience in unreal engine 4 and Unity game engines for these unnamed/un-revealed projects, and also a massive upscale of the RuneScape world. It has also listed that this game will begin at the end of the sixth age which means they have already decided what will happen lorewise for RS3 and beyond. Even more confirmation to this is their sudden push to continue the main storyline with the recent release of the needle skips quest. This tells me that they have at least a 5 year plan in the works in regards to new projects and how they intertwine with the RuneScape universe.

Jagex is notorious for falling short in regards to new games as they haven't had a successful release of a new game in decades aside from old school rs. That being said most of these projects were low to mid tier projects that tried too hard to appeal to a broader audience who were not invested in the RuneScape world. The primary thing I always hear when hearing about RuneScape from anyone who hasn't played in years or ever is about it's horrible/out-dated graphics as well as it's clunky box/tick system. If we can just fix that with the introduction of RuneScape Remastered we'd be golden. "
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29-Dec-2018 22:07:25

RickTheSloth
Mar Member 2018

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I think people are underestimating the sheer magnitude this new MMO will actually have on Jagex and RuneScape longterm. I am a maxed player (almost comped) and have been playing since 2005 and have consistently come back to this game due to the memories, new content, lore, and amount of time invested in to this game. However, I am able to confess that this game does not age well (OSRS and RS3). At this point it is cheaper for Jagex to create an entirely new game that brings the world of RuneScape in to the modern world of gaming than to try to "fix" RS3. That being said Jagex in the past 4 years have had record breaking profits year after year. In the 2017 fiscal year Jagex CEO reported profits (not revenue) of around 43Million pounds. If Jagex were to assign a budget of around 40-60Million dollars for RuneScape remastered over a 3-4 year period it will easily be able to contend with the "MMO Elites" (WoW, Elderscrolls, etc). Just to put this in perspective for Elderscrolls online the devs budget for the vanilla game was 85Million USD. Granted the game did not have a very successful start, but it has now become one of the most profitable and popular MMO's to date. Jagex at this point just need to make the tough decision and go balls in on this one. As said in my previous post, I can't say for certain, but this could be the make or break for Jagex in the long run. "
I am the master of my fate, I am the captain of my soul.
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29-Dec-2018 22:19:53 - Last edited on 29-Dec-2018 22:21:24 by RickTheSloth

Performs
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Chee said :
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holy shit, looks like Trump has competition for largest wall

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also to continue this grave bumped thread, rs4 will most likely never happen, the way eoc and rs3 was received by the players and the success of osrs indicates to me that another update of that magnitude will not occur.
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18-Sep-2019 19:57:31

Flaze
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Unless Jagex has something serious planned for the future, I imagine OSRS will die out within the next 5 years, it was good for nostalgia but it looks about 20 years old and is the only thing keeping Jagex afloat, since RuneScape 3 is on it's last legs.

There are plenty of other games out right now that cost a lot less to play, and look much more impressive and are more engaging, even some which were made 5+ years ago.

30-Sep-2019 06:55:05

H Rassy
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Runescape 4 - 2022?

nah, rs3 is the end of the road.

Even undoing the combat update wont be enough anymore,the kids these days they play other games.
Its all evolution but some concepts keep coming back because they are very good.
MMORPG probably is such a concept and it probably will come back big in the future,but it needs be reworked from the ground, it has to evolve. And with that i do not mean evolution of combat,the genre as a whole has to evolve into something that apeals more to the gamers of today. The players they need to be given something different to do then grinding a skill or button smashing a few bosses. there is so much room for this,like if you can have world with 1k players so much is possible.

02-Oct-2019 00:17:59 - Last edited on 02-Oct-2019 00:22:06 by H Rassy

UtaChao

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I'm not sure why they bothered with a rebrand, it hardly brought new players and it scared off a whole section of the existing playerbase. It should just have always remained Runescape, no sequelisation. It's not a yearly upgraded system and in reality the only thing that really changed was the layout.
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02-Oct-2019 00:23:59

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